I was scrolling through manuscripts and miniatures and I saw this... A sallet...but look at the date of the manuscript 1370. Weren't sallets developed in the 15th century? Perhaps earlier indeed, unless it was dated incorrectly. But I don't think so because the art style is very much to that period. I don't know, can anyone help shed some light on this? Here is the link. http://www.enluminures.culture.fr/Wave/savima...5475-p.jpg

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Do you have a link to the full item by any chance? I don't want to say anything yet, but indeed it looks to be misrepresented.

Cheers!

Other miniatures from the same manuscript -
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/?manuscript=3952
http://www.enluminures.culture.fr/documentati...061-01.htm

Sorry about that this is my first post here. :\ :)

Mart - have you got an opinion on this one?

I know we have other images of what are probably early armets that look like sallets ... and I have a feeling that there's a thread here that shows an early (proto?) sallet from the late 14th C ...

Any other depiction's?

Some people consider this an early bascinet variant, with flared neck.
http://armourinart.com/58/302/

That's pretty much what a sallet is, so I myself consider it a proper sallet. Thanks for the replies!

On what basis is the painting that Mart shared dated to 1320?

The style of art looks very different from early 14th century art. It's much more consistent with what we see closer to 1350 AD onward. The soldier with his visor raised up looks like he is wearing a coat of plates or perhaps a breastplate covered with fabric, rather than mail with a few additions as one would expect for 1320 AD.

Pesky time travelers. I often wonder if damage hasn't been painted over (a Siennese fresco c. 1340 showing uncovered breastplates provoked me to wonder), but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

It doesn't seem to be depicted very well with the visor and funny thing on top, but as it dates from 1370 its not impossible that there were helms with a flared back edge, sallets had to come from some where after all. However it's nothing to go basing your next kit over.

Hmmm...That is kind of a 'funny thing' on top. A raised brow-ridge of some kind maybe? It appears to be one piece that comes all the way down to the face opening of the helm. :?: Curious..... :wtf: .........McM