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Didrik L.H Rossbach
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Mark Griffin
Location: The Welsh Marches, in the hills above Newtown, Powys. Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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As an example of an armour made up of disparate bits its fine, but the assemblage is a bit of a mish-mash. The individual bits are nice enough but its unlikely that ever existed outside an armour sellers house mid 19th cent onwards. You'd have to contact the auctioneers to see where it went after the sale but its unlikely they will tell you :-(
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James Moore
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| Mark Griffin wrote: | | As an example of an armour made up of disparate bits its fine, but the assemblage is a bit of a mish-mash. The individual bits are nice enough but its unlikely that ever existed outside an armour sellers house mid 19th cent onwards. You'd have to contact the auctioneers to see where it went after the sale but its unlikely they will tell you :-( |
I'm afraid there, I'm going to say you're completely wrong, Mark.
It is noted in the description that the harness is completely homogeneous except for the right tasset and the finger lames which are later replacements. Its marked throughout with the same maker's marks (HH and AH, Hans and Anton Hörburger. Furthermore every single element is decorated in exactly the same way (a dot-and-scallop motif with roping on the rolled edges)
Calling it "an armour made up of disparate bits" and a "mish-mash" is utterly wrong.
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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You could look at these, if you can find them or get copies through ILL;
Literature :
DEAN, Bashford, The Collection of Arms and Armor of Rutherfurd Stuyvesant, 1914, No. 15, pp. 20-21, pl.10.
THOMAS, Bruno, Die Innsbrucker Plattnerkunst, ein Nachtrag, in the Jahrbuch der Kunsthistorischen Sammlungen in Wien, vol. 70 - 1974, pp.206-208, ill. 161.
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Mark Griffin
Location: The Welsh Marches, in the hills above Newtown, Powys. Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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I'm an arse and was looking at the wrong harness........
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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Mark, I am very glad to hear it  - that is, that you were looking at the wrong armour. I value your opinion highly, and was mightily puzzled.
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Mark Griffin
Location: The Welsh Marches, in the hills above Newtown, Powys. Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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I'd like to blame the gin.. but I was just rushed and my opinions got the better of me. I'm leaving the post up as a reminder to not be an idiot.
Thanks all!
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Neil Melville
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I can tell you that the armour fetched 45,000 E at the auction. Your only hope of locating its present owner/location would be to contact the auctioneers and ask them to forward your request for info to the new owner, with your contact details, and then hope that the owner is generous enough to respond. I wouldn't bank on it, though.
Neil
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