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Leo Todeschini
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Mart Shearer
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Short and sweet! Excellent job on the tied belt, and a knot which is frequently seen in armoring.
ferrum ferro acuitur et homo exacuit faciem amici sui
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J. Nicolaysen
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Awesome! This helps a lot since I have one of your belts from the first video. Would anything change in harness or on a horse for the longsword belt, specifically placement of the belt itself? (not that I ride my horse with a longsword or have any armor...)
Thanks again!
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Harry Marinakis
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Are there any historical references for the method of tying the thong belt?
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Kai Lawson
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I have been tying my belt like that for a few years now, after looking at some of the images on manuscript miniatures. Based on the images catalogued there, it looks like there were a few different ways to tie ones belt, but the method in the video is the one I like best, because it is pretty secure and has a nice quick-release feature.
"And they crossed swords."
--William Goldman, alias S. Morgenstern
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Leo Todeschini
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Harry Marinakis
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I've always seen that type of sword belt called a "thong belt," as opposed to a buckled belt
I've always tied an overhand slip knot with a loop of both tails, but I have no specific reference for that knot. I like your knot better, it's more compact.
Wondering if you have a "period" reference for that knot or just found it by experimentation.
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Harry Marinakis
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I tried this method for a couple of weeks while at Pennsic, and I love it.
Here is a scabbard that I made last year with a "thong" belt. It is an exact reproduction of a German scabbard from C. AD 1220
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Joe Fults
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These are excellent.
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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Patrick Kelly
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| Harry Marinakis wrote: | | Wondering if you have a "period" reference for that knot or just found it by experimentation. |
Most of the period artwork that illustrates this type of belt shows it tied in just this fashion. One such source is provided in the video itself.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Harry Marinakis
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| Patrick Kelly wrote: | | Most of the period artwork that illustrates this type of belt shows it tied in just this fashion. One such source is provided in the video itself. |
Actually - not really.
There are many ways to tie a knot so that it looks like the knots depicted in the illuminations. I tie a different knot that ends up looking the same as Tod's knot.
Is there any evidence for one specific knot versus another?
I've experimented with a lot of different knots to try to reproduce what I saw in the illuminations. The belt leather in the illuminations is very soft, almost cloth-like. Most people nowadays use a veg tan leather, which is far too stiff to accurately reproduce the knots in the illuminations. I found that modern oil-tanned Latigo works best for these types of belts, since it is soft and doesn't stretch.
Here's a picture of my knot with a very soft Latigo belt. Can you tell the difference between my knot and Tod's knt?
EDIT: Actually I think this is Tod's knot depicted here.
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Maciej K.
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good videos!
I agree that this method from the first movie is most common in medieval sources - we can see it many times at very precise illustrations - but for the "dragon`s tongue belt" style - certainly it was not only method 
I know some more historical methods for tying this kind of belt - according to medieval sources - some of them shows very precisly minimum 2 more ways for this - also very effective.
one more thing - there is a better way to start tying - much faster and easier but hard to describe... I will try to show this soon.
in my opinion the point was to make it quick, effective and not to easy to take it off accidentally...
we also need to realize that this style of belt design was most popular through over two centuries - so, it had to be very good for sword carrying and very easy to make by craftsmans or even users themselves - for example to replace damaged one...
Medieval Swords - www.artofswordmaking.com
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Leo Todeschini
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Harry Marinakis
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| Maciej K. wrote: | | - according to medieval sources - |
I would love to see the sources if you can find them.
Thanks
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This is a standard topic