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Timothy Burris




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PostPosted: Tue 17 Sep, 2013 11:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Made by Ryan Bandics out here in Vegas. He is a good man, a great fighter and an incredible craftsman! Pouch is made by him as well. I am in absolute love with this piece.


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Sep, 2013 1:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is my rondelldagger...



It´s made by Armourer Albert Collins.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec, 2014 5:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is the newest addition to my collection:

A very custom rondel dagger named "Rook", made by James G. Elmslie:











I am quite enthralled.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Dec, 2014 6:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mario Patzke wrote:
Here is the newest addition to my collection:

A very custom rondel dagger named "Rook", made by James G. Elmslie:

I am quite enthralled.



I very much like that! Was it inspired by a particular piece, or is it wholly from your and the makers imagination, based on elements that speak to you personally?
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PostPosted: Mon 15 Dec, 2014 6:17 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's based on this rondel dagger in the Lagermuseum in Delft:



(I apologise for linking from the image from that random site, I -do- have a copy of that image, but I have no idea if I'd be allowed to upload and share it)

Now we used the original piece as main inspiration, and worked our way to my custom piece from there.
It is "tainted" with the personal colour scheme of my kit, and to better represent the slightly earlier date of 1485 (Compared to most landsknecht daggers this ornate), we decided to go for a classic wood & leather handle instead.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Mar, 2015 8:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Group shots of two very differently sized rondel daggers.


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PostPosted: Sat 11 Apr, 2015 11:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Chad,

Do you know if the shorter one is based on an original?

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Apr, 2015 11:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

M. Lanteigne wrote:
Hey Chad,

Do you know if the shorter one is based on an original?


They both are.

Have a look at the hands-on reviews.

http://myArmoury.com/review_tod_bronzerond.html

http://myArmoury.com/review_aa_custbigrondel.html

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Apr, 2015 7:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Nathan!
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr, 2015 12:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I got this rondel dagger made by Hanwei, it's a bargain buy for it's quality. It has a pretty good blade with minor detail flaw such as the discs are not very well aligned. The scabbard for this dagger is huge though.

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Feb, 2021 7:03 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here are my current rondel daggers:



Top is a reproduction of a 14th century piece in a private collection, made by Davis Reproductions. Bottom is a custom A&A piece that is huuuuge. Happy

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Feb, 2021 7:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A little more of the Davis piece. This is one of those rondel daggers where there is only one rondel; a pommel (not a second rondel) and grip complete the hilt. The rondel is a composite of brass surrounding a wood spacer.


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Feb, 2021 6:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Tod Cutler 15th century rondel


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb, 2021 3:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
Tod Cutler 15th century rondel


Those are a really good value. You get a more complex blade section and the slightly hollowed rondels for not a lot of money.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Feb, 2021 10:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Bottom is a custom A&A piece that is huuuuge. Happy


Chad,

Just how long is the blade, something close to 20"? I am curious how does this dagger feel in icepick grip? Looking at it, probably way too long for comfortable/precise control of the point if trying to stab with icepick grip.
IMHO, this would make it more of a short sword than a dagger.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Feb, 2021 10:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Alex Indman wrote:
Chad,

Just how long is the blade, something close to 20"? I am curious how does this dagger feel in icepick grip? Looking at it, probably way too long for comfortable/precise control of the point if trying to stab with icepick grip.
IMHO, this would make it more of a short sword than a dagger.

Alex.


Alex,
The blade is 18 3/4 long according to what I measured a while back for the review I did. This dagger definitely feels more "at home" wielded like a sword with the point up than like a dagger point-down. So could it be called a rondel-hilted shortsword? Maybe. Happy I consider it a "dagger" because of its construction even though it might be more sword-like in handling. I have a gladius coming in the next few months and I'm curious to compare those two since they're both shorter than a more typical arming sword.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Feb, 2021 11:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
This dagger definitely feels more "at home" wielded like a sword with the point up than like a dagger point-down. So could it be called a rondel-hilted shortsword? Maybe. Happy

I think this is exactly why the rondels are of such a small diameter - to allow for a "sword like" grip. The maker must have realized the blade is too long to be used as a typical rondel dagger. Could have been an extravagant order from someone who wanted a rondel dagger twice as long as other guys' daggers, and damn all practical considerations!

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Feb, 2021 12:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Alex Indman wrote:
I think this is exactly why the rondels are of such a small diameter - to allow for a "sword like" grip. The maker must have realized the blade is too long to be used as a typical rondel dagger. Could have been an extravagant order from someone who wanted a rondel dagger twice as long as other guys' daggers, and damn all practical considerations!

Alex.


The rondels on the original are actually a little wider than on the repro, but are not solid iron. I believe they're iron covering wood (the museum's catalogue says "covered in iron"). If that's the case, it puts even more heft in the blade. There are bits of period art like effigies that show long daggers being worn with a sword rather than in place of one. Other pieces of art show long daggers as the sole edged sidearm of a soldier. This one feels like it could be the sidearm of a well-to-do archer/crossbowman or billman or something.

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