Search for Specific Medieval Hilt-Type -- myArmoury.com

Tobi S.

Hey there,
I'm new here and don't know, if my question is already answered in a different thread (I apologize, if it is) , but several quick searches didn't bring any results so far.
I'm searching for a very specific type of medieval hilts. This type has an flat disc-shaped pommel (Oakeshott Type G) and a tang, which rises over the top of the pommel. A protruding tang is very common for swords with pommels of Oakeshott Type I-K (see picture 1 for an example from Bonn, Germany) , but I can't find examples for Oakeshott Type G, except one sword from a collection in Paris (see picture 2).
So here is my question: Do you know any analogies in the 13th and 14th centuries?
Thanks,
Tobi
P.S. Sorry for the horrible English, I'm not a native speaker...

Shahril Dzulkifli

I am not quite sure what type of hilt that these swords originally had, Tobi.
Maybe there's somebody here in this forum who can help you identify their hilts.

Mikko Kuusirati · Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2014 10:52 am Post subject:

I think he's asking about hilts that, put short, combine a simple type G disk pommel with a peen block.

And he's right, those are rare indeed - if they exist at all! I can't think of a single one myself. As far as I know, type G pommels faded from popularity before peen blocks became a thing. Even the one pictured in the opening post probably did not have a peen block, IMO; as far as I can tell, the pommel has simply shifted down due to corrosion and thus exposed the end of the tang, which was originally peened flush with the pommel (like on all historical type G pommels I know of).

But, more likely than not, the very moment I say type G pommels did not have peen blocks, someone will post a picture of such a thing. So the most I'm willing to say is that I've never seen one myself. Happy

Cerjak JL

Kai Lawson · Posted: Wed 03 Dec, 2014 6:42 am Post subject:

That doesn't look like a type G pommel to me, but it is a very attractive piece!

Mikko Kuusirati · Posted: Wed 03 Dec, 2014 9:35 am Post subject:

No, that's a very clear Type J. (And a very nice one, too. Happy

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The Type G is the simplest of the wheel pommel forms, just a plain disk, often with slightly convex or concave faces. No chamfered edges or raised centers.

Luka Borscak · Posted: Mon 29 Dec, 2014 4:41 pm Post subject:

Here is one...

Mike Ruhala · Posted: Tue 30 Dec, 2014 3:32 am Post subject:

I think that one might be an R.

Luka Borscak · Posted: Tue 30 Dec, 2014 4:36 am Post subject:

I first thought so also, but after some time looking at it I decided I think it's a G. But still, it might be an R. We would have to see other angles. Here is the complete sword: https://www.facebook.com/195698570567502/photos/pcb.530671880403501/530671817070174/?type=1&theater

Mike Ruhala · Posted: Tue 30 Dec, 2014 9:29 am Post subject:

Interesting, in the full length picture it appears it might be a disk with radically convex faces.