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Mark T




PostPosted: Sun 17 Mar, 2013 1:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And more ...


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A 'double' medial riser?

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Mark T




PostPosted: Sun 17 Mar, 2013 1:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And some more...


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Another possible medial riser, or just a clearly-defined diamond-shaped scabbard with ridge. Also note the level of detail on grip, but plainness of scabbard.

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Another riser, and detailed pommel and chappe - but plain scabbard.

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Not sure if the horizontal lines on the scabbard are mean to be detail, or just the edges of a wrapped leather strip. Either way, rest of scabbard clearly plain.

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Mark T




PostPosted: Sun 17 Mar, 2013 1:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And more ...


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Another plain scabbard with round chape.

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A classic image of a painted scabbard.

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Some cross-hatching, presumably not for effect, but actual detailing, given rest of the work.

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Mark T




PostPosted: Sun 17 Mar, 2013 1:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yet more!


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Diamond-patterns this time, with a clear medial riser, or prominent ridge.

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Red scabbard, media riser, plain detail, possible gilt chape.

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Detailed lockets; plain leather.

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Mar, 2013 1:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This should do for now!


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Another red scabbard, with either low medial riser or ridge; plain leather.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun, 2014 9:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some more from random internet searching ... sorry these don't have any source information.

I like these three, as they give specific details about the chapes: the first has a 'U'-shaped chape. Sometimes, there seems to be a 'modern myth' in the arms and armour community that U-shaped chapes existed only in the 14th C and earlier, but the more I look, the more I find them in 15th and 16th C art.

The second chape appears to be of the very elongated form common in the late 15th C, but with a cut-out, making a V-shape.

The third appears to be a 'full' chape, but have some kind of decoration/relief work, which is not so common to see in artwork.



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The Hunt of the Unicorn tapestry - The Unicorn Defends Itself, 1495-1505

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The Unicorn Defends Itself detail

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Elongated V-shaped chape

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Chape with detailing

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jun, 2014 6:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Does anyone know where this is from? I asked authors of Sartor web page (they sell historical brocades and other textiles), but they don't remember.




I'm going to cover the scabbard of my Albion Earl with brocade. I know it's not the most common thing in sources, but apparently it was done. It looks a bit boring right now, covered only with black linen.


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jun, 2014 7:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I would LOVE to see a "sumptuous fabric" covered scabbard. There are more than a few in art and you never see modern repros. I can't wait to yours Blaz.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jun, 2014 7:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Blaz Berlec wrote:
Does anyone know where this is from? I asked authors of Sartor web page (they sell historical brocades and other textiles), but they don't remember.




I'm going to cover the scabbard of my Albion Earl with brocade. I know it's not the most common thing in sources, but apparently it was done. It looks a bit boring right now, covered only with black linen.


It represents Bertrand Du Guesclin receiving the sword of constable from Charles V.

After a short research, it appears to be a manuscript illumination (enluminure) from Jean Fouquet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Fouquet) for the "Grandes Chroniques de France".

http://www.wikiart.org/en/jean-fouquet/charle...sclin-1460
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jun, 2014 8:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you!

I have already gotten the material:

http://www.sartor.cz/historical-textiles/1415...black.html

It's a replica of a spanish renaissance pattern from late 16th century, but all the elements on it are well represented since much earlier. I chose it because of it's small pattern, larger would be quite unrecognisable on a 7 cm wide scabbard.

I'm going to glue it and sew it down the back, but I'm wondering if I should protect it somehow from abrasion (for instance when wearing over armour?) Silk seems kind of flimsy for rough use on it's own... Lacquering?


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