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Edward Lee
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 Posted: Fri 10 Jan, 2014 1:13 am Post subject: How were arming points made on a gambson? |
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Hello
I recently had a shoulder made from arming street and it had two holes on it. I was told these are called arming points and I was suppose to attach them to my gambeson's arming point. The problem is my gambeson doesn't have an arming point, is there any instruction on how to make one? Or do I just cut holes into my gambeson and call it a day? Thanks.
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Tjarand Matre
Location: Nøtterøy, Norway Joined: 19 Sep 2010
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Find an old, solid leather belt (or any thick leather). Cut small squares, but not too small, 1 for each arming point. Punch 2 holes for point in the middle and as many holes you like along the edges for sewing onto your gambeson.
This way you don't have to punch a hole in the fabric of the gambeson. If you do it will likely tear sooner or later. And if you change your setup you can easily remove the leather patch and place it somewhere else.
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Edward Lee
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| Tjarand Matre wrote: | Find an old, solid leather belt (or any thick leather). Cut small squares, but not too small, 1 for each arming point. Punch 2 holes for point in the middle and as many holes you like along the edges for sewing onto your gambeson.
This way you don't have to punch a hole in the fabric of the gambeson. If you do it will likely tear sooner or later. And if you change your setup you can easily remove the leather patch and place it somewhere else. |
Thanks for the reply friend. So the cord just go into one hole and come out the other? Like sewing only the edge of the leather to the cloth and leave the middle hollow right?
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Tjarand Matre
Location: Nøtterøy, Norway Joined: 19 Sep 2010
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Thats correct. I added a picture of my arming jacket point to clarify.
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Edward Lee
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| Posted: Fri 10 Jan, 2014 2:27 am Post subject: |
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I really appreciate your help mate.
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Jeffrey Faulk
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| Posted: Fri 10 Jan, 2014 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Some folks like to do pretty little brass or tin pointy bits at the ends of the cords. Not really necessary but they do help keep the ends from fraying and give you just a bit of 'bling'...
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Mark Griffin
Location: The Welsh Marches, in the hills above Newtown, Powys. Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri 10 Jan, 2014 4:02 pm Post subject: Arming points |
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You don't need to punch holes in arming garments, use a sailors spike or a large awl to ease apart the threads without breaking them, then whip or blanket stitch around the edges to reenforce them. There are a few guides out there or get a copy of the museum of london clothing book, it's got some good instructions plus masses of other helpful info.
The aiglets on the end of the points will pass through the point holes easily.
Best bet is wear it and have a friend place your armour over the top and mark where the holes need to go, don't do it yourself.
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W. Scott Brown
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I'd like to second the thought that you shouldn't punch holes in your garment. Historically I think a bone awl was used to separate the fabric fibers and sew an eyelet where permanent lacing was needed.
However, I would also like to point out an alternative pointing method used by an acquaintance of mine who's experienced in wearing armor, Ian LaSpina. He uses a leather tab, but instead of sewing it onto the garment, he uses the pointing lace itself to secure the tab in place using the eyelets as anchor points:
It's the same method I'll be using to secure the new armor being made for me by Jeffrey Hildebrandt of Royal Oak Armory.
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Edward Lee
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Most interesting, thanks guys!
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Ian S LaSpina
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| W. Scott Brown wrote: | I'd like to second the thought that you shouldn't punch holes in your garment. Historically I think a bone awl was used to separate the fabric fibers and sew an eyelet where permanent lacing was needed.
However, I would also like to point out an alternative pointing method used by an acquaintance of mine who's experienced in wearing armor, Ian LaSpina. He uses a leather tab, but instead of sewing it onto the garment, he uses the pointing lace itself to secure the tab in place using the eyelets as anchor points:
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Thanks for posting this, What you can't see is on the flip side of the garment I have 4 hand sewn eyelets that correspond to the holes punched in the leather tab. I elected to go with a 4 hole configuration because it just puts a little less stress on each individual eyelet. As someone mentioned above, none of the eyelets are cut in to the fabric, the hole is opened up with an awl and then sewn in place keeping the threads apart to hold the hole open permanently. I'm using two of these on each side of my pourpoint from which to suspend cuisses. Here's what it looks like from the front:
If you were going to use these for arms instead of legs, it would be easier to place the leather tab on the outside of the garment so the points are exposed from the outside. For cuisses I suspend from the inside because it allows the cuisse to sit snugly on my thigh and not bunch up the hem of my doublet. I don't have points on my arms because I point my arm harness directly to a maille haubergeon that I wear over the top of the pourpoint.
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Mark Griffin
Location: The Welsh Marches, in the hills above Newtown, Powys. Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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did you makethat yourself Ian? Looks very nice.
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Ian S LaSpina
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Quinn W.
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Thanks for sharing this! I have a question though; if you were wearing mail under your plate, like say, for a transitional harness, would the arming points work about the same except that you would have to thread them through the mail rings? Or is there a different setup when you're dealing with a middle layer like that?
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Ian S LaSpina
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| Quinn W. wrote: | | Thanks for sharing this! I have a question though; if you were wearing mail under your plate, like say, for a transitional harness, would the arming points work about the same except that you would have to thread them through the mail rings? Or is there a different setup when you're dealing with a middle layer like that? |
Personally, I point my arms to the maille itself. If you're maille fits properly, it will not shift around and makes a perfectly stable platform for which to point you arm harness to. The legs remain unchanged, and point to my arming cote since maille wouldn't interfere or require you pull them through (my legs point to the inside of the cote).
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