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M Boyd
Location: Northern Midlands, Tasmania Joined: 16 Aug 2013
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 Posted: Thu 12 Sep, 2013 12:27 am Post subject: The knightly use of thev Chapel de fer |
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I'm wondering about the "chapel de fer" helmet and whether it was considered a knightly armour option.
I see plenty of manuscript illustrations with infantry or men-at-arms on foot wearing them- seems to make sense with the brim adding additional defence from attacks from above, but I also see it on mounted soldiery.
So, my question is, was the "chapel de fer" style helmet a good choice for a knight or was it a poor/ under-dressed for a knight but fine for a retainer or soldier?
Last edited by M Boyd on Thu 12 Sep, 2013 5:26 am; edited 1 time in total
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Luka Borscak
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Although mounted, well armoured warrior doesn't have to be a knight, I don't doubt some knights wanted more visual and breathing freedom and chose open faced helmets, chapel de fer or something else, doesn't really matter...
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M Boyd
Location: Northern Midlands, Tasmania Joined: 16 Aug 2013
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Christopher B Lellis
Location: Houston, Texas Joined: 01 Dec 2012
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I haven't seen those pictures before, and I like them a lot.
Thanks.
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Iagoba Ferreira
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Here one can be seen in a lead seal of John II of Castille from 1422:
And even better:
From the Real Armerķa de Madrid, attributed to Philip the Handsome...probably the same one depicted in this portrait:
Ooops, you said knight, not king or emperor 
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Mart Shearer
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At the Battle of Mansourah, Joinville mentions knights switching to kettle hats because of the heat. Hoffmeyer gives other examples as well.
http://books.google.com/books?id=QmQFYZSMs-EC...mp;f=false
Mildenhall's 1344 account of the English Wardrobe includes a rather richly ornamented kettle hat, which was not made for your average burger.
38 kettle hats, one of hardened leather for the tournament, one of iron with a border of silver, embossed with gilded animals, and 36 of iron,
Then there's the parade version for Charles VI, minus it's enameled badges, retrieved in pieces from a well in the Louvre.
http://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/gilded...charles-vi
ferrum ferro acuitur et homo exacuit faciem amici sui
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This is a standard topic