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Howard Waddell
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 6:11 am    Post subject: Introducing... The Tyrolean         Reply with quote

Pre-orders are shipping now...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151691894506138.1073741826.109838441137&type=1


Total length: 55" (139.7 cm)
Blade length: 41" (104 cm)
Blade width: 2.1875” (5.56 cm)
CoB: 4.5" (11.43 cm)
CoP: 25" (63.5 cm)
Weight: 5lb 7 oz. (2.47 kg)
Weight (w/o demi-scabbard): 5lb 5oz. (2.41 kg)


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 6:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very nice looking sword... although I cant help but keep being reminded of Wallace's 'claymore' from braveheart thanks to the leather wrapped ricasso and SOMEWHAT similar crossguard.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 7:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very nice, Howy. This is the sword I've been waiting to see. I also agree....very BraveHeart-ish. I love it. Are there any pics of an original? I swear I saw one several years ago, but it's now lost somewhere in web history. Fantastic!!!....I wish I had more hands so I could give you three thumbs up!!..........McM
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 7:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This one turned out fantastic. I love that it comes with the wood core "demi-scabbard". Looks like I'll have to save up my money.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jason Elrod wrote:
This one turned out fantastic. I love that it comes with the wood core "demi-scabbard". Looks like I'll have to save up my money.


I'm guessing the "demi-scabbard" is the ricasso covering. But that's just a guess.

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 8:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Jason Elrod wrote:
This one turned out fantastic. I love that it comes with the wood core "demi-scabbard". Looks like I'll have to save up my money.


I'm guessing the "demi-scabbard" is the ricasso covering. But that's just a guess.


Agreed. But I didn't expedct it to have a hardwood core.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very nice! I wonder if the "demi-scabbard" just slides right off or is it somehow attached? Is its purpose just for transporting across the shoulder and would be removed during use, or is it meant to remain in place during a fight? I always assumed it was all leather and essentially permanent, but this feels like perhaps not...

Looks great.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 9:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I would like to see some pictures without it. I have seen almost identical Swiss two handers, but this leather/wood demi scabbard really makes it look braveheart-ish. Happy Anyway, I like it very much, of course. Big Grin
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 11:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's always good to see photos of new Albions. I hope that you will soon update your website (also Albion Europe's) to reflect the Tyrolean's and Principe's change in status.

Can the other XVIIIc, the Alexandria be far behind?
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very nice looking sword. I would have assumed that the demi-scabbard might have been a short scabbard that covered the blade from the tip up to the leather-covered ricasso. Why else would all of the pictures show it with the ricasso covered. Would not a removable ricasso cover have a propensity to remove itself when the sword was swung with a purpose? I may very well be wrong however. Perhaps Mr. Waddell can enlighten us as to the nature of the demi-scabbard.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Benjamin Rial wrote:
Would not a removable ricasso cover have a propensity to remove itself when the sword was swung with a purpose?


I don't think it is right to call this a ricasso cover, as this sword doesn't technically have a ricasso (being a thickened, blunt length at the base of a blade, as in the type XIX and some XX's (Viceroy, Doge, and such). Looking at the various illustrations that either clearly show or seem to indicate a cover like this, I personally feel pretty sure that it was purely for safe carry, to prevent cutting your neck, hair, or pretty silk clothes that the Landsknechts liked to wear.

The idea of a bunch of these covers flipping across the battlefield at first clash is pretty comical, like my right shoe everytime I try to play soccer...

Howy, any chance you can confirm the semi-existence of a third sword based on this blade? I seem to recall something about an "Archduke" from the Albion Facebook page...

Another beautiful sword sirs!

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 11:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Move aside, ladies and gents-- Big Daddy is in the house!

Looks great! I was actually expecting something plainer, but this doesn't strike me as much of a "downgrade" from the Maximillian at all-- just different, and maybe just a touch simpler.

Imposing, yet still an "elegant" weapon. I love it!

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun, 2013 11:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi all, and thank you for your thoughts and questions.

The leather covered base of this sword is an unusual feature. It is something that is depicted in art, showing landsknechts carrying the two hander over the shoulder with a blade that has its forte covered in leather.

There survives many examples of two handers with leather covered ricassos but these have all parrying hooks. From the art work it seems that a leather cover could also be added to the base of a blade that is lacking parrying hooks and possibly also lacking a ricasso.

This leather sleeve or demi scabbard is therefore speculative. We know something like this was seen in the period, but we cannot be 100% sure what it was. Therefore we have opted to offer it with the sword, but the Tyrolean can also be ordered without it. I believe it can also be ordered with the demi scabbard not permanently fixed to the blade.

There is indeed a third design based on this same blade: a large type XIIIa of 13th or early 14th century style.
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Jun, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Peter Johnsson wrote:
Hi all, and thank you for your thoughts and questions.

The leather covered base of this sword is an unusual feature...the Tyrolean can also be ordered without it. I believe it can also be ordered with the demi scabbard not permanently fixed to the blade.


So is the standard configuration delivered with the demi scabbard permanently in place? And if so, how is it fixed in place?

I can't imagine how cool a bigger-than-the-Duke type XIII war sword will look, done in the Johnsson style! Will it keep the double fullers?

Thanks Peter and Howy!

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Jun, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you for the clarification Peter.

I was unfamiliar with the concept of a demi-scabbard and had always thought that the covered portion at the top of the blade was a leather covered ricasso. It is an interesting idea and one can certainly see the application.

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Deleted post because of unintentional des-information.

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun, 2013 5:00 am    Post subject: Demi-scabbard         Reply with quote

Benjamin Rial wrote:
Thank you for the clarification Peter.

I was unfamiliar with the concept of a demi-scabbard and had always thought that the covered portion at the top of the blade was a leather covered ricasso. It is an interesting idea and one can certainly see the application.


Hey Benjamin!

The demi-scabbard is made to fit snugly, but is removable on all Tyroleans. We would recommend (particularly in humid environments) to store the sword and demi-scabbard separately in order to avoid the possibility of contact rust.

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Jun, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Oh how very Braveheart Cool I love it. Well done Albion.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 3:21 am    Post subject: More pictures of the Tyrolean...         Reply with quote

You can find more pictures of the Tyrolean on the Albion Europe facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151600530511776.1073741837.336997521775&type=1

...including pictures with and with-out the demi-scabbard.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep, 2013 7:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

High def pictures courtesy of Albion Europe:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/albioneurope/sets/72157635661333833/

Thanks for taking the time to photograph these swords properly.

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