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Leo Todeschini · Industry Professional

Hi All,

Through the 18th and 19thC single stick fighting was a very popular sport in the UK and this is a reproduction single stick.

The stick itself is about 40" long and made from ash, though I have also heard that blackthorn and hazel make suitable sticks.

The guard was made from leather or wicker work and in this case it is 4mm thick hardened leather and trimmed with vegtan leather.

The guard must be able to slide down the stick during a thrust so that the recipient does not take a full hit and the peg is there to retain the stick in the guard.

I love making odd comisisons like this and I hope to make another pair, as this is a piece I would like to perfect.

Any comments are most welcome.

Regards

Tod

Matthew Stagmer · Industry Professional

Nice. I have a pair of these that were used at the Naval Academy. I used them as a kid before I knew how old they were.

Julian Reynolds · Posted: Tue 23 Oct, 2012 1:31 am Post subject:

That's a nice reproduction, Tod. We regularly use singlesticks in the salle, for backsword practice. We have a mix of basketwork and leather hilts, the leather ones mostly coming from Paul Macdonald at Macdonald Armouries in Edinburgh. It's good to have an alternative source (assuming competitive pricing!), I'll spread the word amongst my backsworders - I'll put something up on a few forums, if you like....

Julian

Sean Flynt · Posted: Tue 23 Oct, 2012 10:22 am Post subject:

Is there supposed to be leather tube around the grip, to allow the stick to slide on impact as you described?

M. Eversberg II · Posted: Tue 23 Oct, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject:

This is pretty good work!

Will you be posting more on this on your site(s)?

M.

Leo Todeschini · Industry Professional

Sean Flynt wrote

Neal Matheson · Posted: Wed 24 Oct, 2012 5:52 am Post subject:

Single sticks make a fairly decent sparring weapon and are nice and historical, the welts are far less dramtic than the bruises one recieves from the modern synthetic trainers too. I may be interested in buying some baskets if you were to start a line of them, I;m sure many more would too I tend to use ash saplings. I would have thought that a blackthorn singlestick would be more an actual weapon rather than training tool.
Neal

Julian Reynolds · Posted: Wed 24 Oct, 2012 9:28 am Post subject:

Tod, glad to be of help; I've put them on various WMA/HEMA/FB groups & forums I am a member of. Hope you get some business out of them....

As for the tube, I've never seen any with one before: the idea is to keep hold of the stick with your hand, and relax the grip when point contact has been firmly made, so it runs through your fingers. I guess, if the tube is supple enough to let you squeeze it to keep the stick from slipping in normal use, then it should have the same effect, but it just seems an unnecessary complication....

Julian

David Clark · Posted: Wed 24 Oct, 2012 9:39 am Post subject:

That is a really familiar setup to anyone who fights using SCA regs.... Wink

Julian Reynolds · Posted: Wed 24 Oct, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject:

I was under the impression, with SCA basket hilts, that the rattan was fixed in place with screws or jubilee clips (hose clips?). I wasn't aware that the rattan could move freely through the guard, but then I don't fight SCA rules and I'm just going off examples of SCA weapons that I have seen or handled.

Julian

Leo Todeschini · Industry Professional

Thanks for the interest.

My take was as Julian suggests, that you relax your grip on impact and let the hand slide down the stick.

Tod

Scott Roush · Industry Professional

I LOVE these. Thanks for the idea. Will make a pair for my son and I immediately. :-) I love stuff like this.

Sean Flynt · Posted: Thu 25 Oct, 2012 7:05 am Post subject:

FWIW, this is where I got that antique image: http://fencingclassics.wordpress.com/2009/01/.../#more-833

Text:
The basket-hilt of this British singlestick is made from boiled leather, which is as stiff and hard as plastic. The stick is inserted through a leather tube that is integrated into the hilt, thus forming an instant leather cover around the ash stick that formed the “blade”.

Just wondered how this would work, and if it might be meant to help the stick slide a bit in a thrust.

David Clark · Posted: Thu 25 Oct, 2012 7:43 am Post subject:

Julian Reynolds · Posted: Thu 25 Oct, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject:

Singlesticks were found everywhere one practised swordsmanship, in Victorian times, throughout the Empire and beyond. There are literally hundreds of images and descriptions of them being used as training aids for sabre (cavalry and infantry) or Scottish broad/backsword etc. (even cutlass?). Not to mention their use in their own right, in competition or for wager. A truly classic 'weapon' used by the common man in the pub back-room through to the noble-born guards officer in the barracks gymnasium!

Julian

P. Frank · Posted: Thu 25 Oct, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject:

That is really nice Tod!
We use singlesticks a lot in our classes, but none of them is as nice as this one. Out of curiosity, how much would that one cost?

Bill Grandy · myArmoury Team

Singlestick also used to be in the Olympics. It's a ridiculously fun sport to play, and excellent as a side-by-side companion to sword training. I admit to being a "sissy" when I play it, though, as my partners and I wear facial protection, which is not part of the original rules. Happy

Sam Gordon Campbell · Posted: Wed 28 Aug, 2013 2:14 am Post subject:

Philip Dyer · Posted: Wed 28 Aug, 2013 11:36 am Post subject:

Jonathan Hopkins · Posted: Wed 28 Aug, 2013 3:08 pm Post subject:

Here is a US Navy singlestick from the 19th century: