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Emil Andersson




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Aug, 2013 9:40 am    Post subject: Peculiar two-handed sword, supposedly Milanese         Reply with quote

Hello,

I came across a couple of interesting pictures on an image board that I'd like to present here, in case someone might know anything more about it. Please see the two attachments I've included.

If these were actually around at some point in time I'd say that this was the time when two-handed swords genuinely could be used as pole-weapons. Happy

Thanks in advance!



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Christopher Treichel




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Aug, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks like a type of Estoc, or Panzerstecher... armour piercing sword.
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Emil Andersson




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Aug, 2013 12:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Christopher,

Thank you for the term 'Panzerstecher'. It led me to an old thread on SFI where I learned that the modern reproduction in the picture I included was made by Arma Bohemia. They no longer seem to carry it in their catalogue, though.
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Kjell Magnusson




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Aug, 2013 9:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The black and white photograph comes from "The encyclopedia of European historical weapons" by by Vladimír Dolínek.

It's labelled as Milanese, 1584. I can't recall if he wrote anything about it beyond that. You could probably get your hands on a copy to check though, as Stockholm's city library has a pair.

If you're not close enough to come visit in person, ask your local library about a remote loan.
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Emil Andersson




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Aug, 2013 10:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for that, Kjell, I think I might just go ahead and ask for a remote loan. Happy
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Scott Hanson




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PostPosted: Wed 07 Aug, 2013 8:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think that is still on Arma Bohemia's page. It's under customs or some such, not in the main line.

I think the original is believed to be a bearing sword version of a panzerstecher. So, probably not a battlefield weapon.

edit: found it, it's under prototypes. http://www.armabohemia.cz/Novestr/newsA.htm

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Radovan Geist




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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug, 2013 11:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Scott Hanson wrote:
I think that is still on Arma Bohemia's page. It's under customs or some such, not in the main line.

I think the original is believed to be a bearing sword version of a panzerstecher. So, probably not a battlefield weapon.

edit: found it, it's under prototypes. http://www.armabohemia.cz/Novestr/newsA.htm


yes it´s there and the website says that "The original sword is a property of Czech national military museum Prague"
I have contacted Arma Bohemia some time ago by an email, to get more info on the original sword, but did not get any answer. I guess I will just have to visit the museum, when next time in Prague.
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