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Gabriele A. Pini
Location: Olgiate Comasco, Como Joined: 02 Sep 2008
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 Posted: Wed 31 Jul, 2013 12:13 am Post subject: Weapons and armour from the S. Abbondio church - 1350 |
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This may interest someone: the apse from the church of s. Abbondio (Assertor et Defensor incarnationis Filii Dei) in Como, Italy. The church was built (as we can see it today) in 1040, but the pictures are dated 1340-1360.
I found the shields particularly interesting, for the forms and the clearly visibles straps pins.
Here http://www.flickriver.com/photos/renzodionigi...584588220/ you can find a complete set.
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Neil Melville
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Thanks for posting these photos of the frescoes. Brilliant, and what about those weird nasals on some of the helmets?
I have been to Como but did not know about this church unfortunately. Grazie mille, Gabriele.
Neil
N Melville
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Randall Moffett
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Very nice. That one helmet just left of center sure looks a great deal like a 15th century sallet!
Thanks for the pictures!
RPM
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Mart Shearer
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The level of detail in the paintings is quite useful We recently had a discussion on Armour Archive concerning the plates, and I noticed the small chains retaining the shoulder hinge pins. Even the lining holes for the bascinet are clear.
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Mikko Kuusirati
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Wow! That's really impressive detail. And many of these are in remarkably good condition, too!
The bit that draws my attention in the posted picture is the combination of short mail sleeves (over a longer-sleeved padded garment) and long mail gauntlets with what looks like drawstrings at the cuffs, although none of them are tightened so they might just be ornamental...
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Mart Shearer
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I don't think they're drawstrings for tightening the cuff, so much as a method to tie them together and hang them off the sword when not in use. Of course they could perform both functions.
ferrum ferro acuitur et homo exacuit faciem amici sui
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Mart Shearer
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Gabriele A. Pini
Location: Olgiate Comasco, Como Joined: 02 Sep 2008
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From a pure "amateur" (it is not even my period of interest) point I appreciate this mace:
Has anyone see one like? It's possible that is a serragente (sarge) mace, more an authority symbol than a proper weapon?
The metal is golden in color, perhaps bronze or brass?
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Gabriele A. Pini wrote: | From a pure "amateur" (it is not even my period of interest) point I appreciate this mace:
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Has anyone see one like? It's possible that is a serragente (sarge) mace, more an authority symbol than a proper weapon?
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Well, it's a flanged mace with a wooden haft. The flanged form seems to have been much more popular in the 15th-16th Century (and at that point most maces had metal hafts, too), to the point that I'm having trouble finding images of 14th Century specimens... you can see some similar ones from that time here, though.
The color probably does represent bronze or brass (or latten), although if it's a sign of rank it could also be gilded.
Note that the guy behind him, to our left, is also holding a very similar weapon (out of frame except for the grip), and there's another one, this one in bare iron, in the first picture posted to this thread (the Kiss of Judas scene; you can see the mace right behind the head of the guy losing his ear, held by the dude with the weird gilded nasal guard on his helmet).
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Mart Shearer
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There are some 14th century iron flanged maces of similar form here:
http://otlichnik.tripod.com/medmace3.html
ferrum ferro acuitur et homo exacuit faciem amici sui
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