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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 2:12 am    Post subject: Identification help please - round two!         Reply with quote

Hi again,

Hi,

I'm pretty new at all this so please forgive me if I use the wrong terms or anything.

I've inherited about forty swords and Gurkha knives and I'd love to learn more about them but I'm not sure what they all are. Any help at all would be very much appreciated!

The first one is really puzzling me, it looks like it's got a second hilt at the end of the blade with a red leather pouch to cover it. It's got Boleolo etched into the just below the proper hilt (covered in the red material) and I can't find any reference to this on the 'net. Is this a maker? Or an old owner? Or just graffiti?!

The next has got a slightly curved end on the blade with the hilt below:



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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 2:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ooops, the pictures came out the wrong way round above...

The next one is a fencing sword I think? It's got a really slim blade anyway...



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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 2:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The next is a short sword - 28 inches end to end with a bone or ivory or horn? handle. It's got 1930 etched just below the hilt and some engraving on the blade:


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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 2:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This one is 22 inches end to end with some really nice gold pattern on the blade and scabbard. I don't know if it's the original handle though


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Jean-Carle Hudon




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 2:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The first one looks to me to be an Indian Tulwar. The job with the red wrapping seems to be one of those blades used in bull fighting. I'm sure one of our spanish friends can give more information on this . You have a fencing foil, and the wide bladed implement might be trench related, or more generally some form of work where both digging and cutting are involved.
You mentionned gurkhas. Did the person you received these from serve in India ?

Bon coeur et bon bras
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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 2:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I did manage to find out some info on this one, I've been told it's a British Light Infantry sword from 1895 and that the WD stands for war department?

My neighbour has offered me 80 for it - would that be a fair price? I really have no idea. I had a quick look online and can only find officer's swords with fancy hand guards - this one is a solid silver coloured metal.



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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 2:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Apologies for the full ashtray in the previous pics, I didn't realise it was in the photo Blush

This next one has the same red binding around the handle as the Boleolo one but is stuck in the scabbard so I can't see if there's any etching. Can anyone advise me what to use to ease it out? Don't want to try WD40 in case it ruins it...



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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 2:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean-Carle Hudon wrote:
The first one looks to me to be an Indian Tulwar. The job with the red wrapping seems to be one of those blades used in bull fighting. I'm sure one of our spanish friends can give more information on this . You have a fencing foil, and the wide bladed implement might be trench related, or more generally some form of work where both digging and cutting are involved.
You mentionned gurkhas. Did the person you received these from serve in India ?


Many thanks Jean-Carle, I know where I can start researching now. I knew he was in the army but I didn't know where he served...from the looks of it it must have been in the India area. I have 19 Gurkha blades, I think that's what they are anyway, and I'll get those pics on as soon as I can
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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 3:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The next sword I think is another fencing sword? It has 'SO Paris' just under the hilt and black leather binding around the handle


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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 3:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This one is a pretty heavy sword. I was thinking maybe it's Arabian?


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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 3:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This sword is quite light but is 36 1/2 inches end to end. It has [R Sexton & Son] [... St] [Dublin] (the street name is illegible) just under the hilt. I've Googled R Sexton but nothing is coming up?


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Henri Moss




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 3:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I believe this one is a ceremonial sword but not 100%


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 3:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My Dad thinks these two are presentation swords. They're both made by Wilkinson Sword so that seems a wee bit over the top to me! Maybe I'm wrong though? One says Coventry and the other is Plymouth


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 3:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think this knife is Arabian or somewhere over that way. It doesn't look much like the Gurkha knives


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Sa'ar Nudel




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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 4:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Henri Moss wrote:
The next sword I think is another fencing sword? It has 'SO Paris' just under the hilt and black leather binding around the handle


Hi Henry, it is a little hard to refer to each sword, please put numbers next time Happy
Anyway, this one a is a made-up smallsword, maybe for theatrical use, fitted with an electric epee blade.
You have two bullfighting swords, the mark possibly stands for "Toledo", the one with the crossbar is not so common.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 4:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Henri Moss wrote:
The next is a short sword - 28 inches end to end with a bone or ivory or horn? handle. It's got 1930 etched just below the hilt and some engraving on the blade:


Indonesian hanger made in the Dutch tradition, for western market.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 4:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Henri Moss wrote:
This one is a pretty heavy sword. I was thinking maybe it's Arabian?


Very far from Arabia. Chinese dao (Niuweidao?), 20th century.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 4:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Henri Moss wrote:
I think this knife is Arabian or somewhere over that way. It doesn't look much like the Gurkha knives


Close enough. 20th century (2nd half) Moroccan Koumaya.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 4:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Henri Moss wrote:
This one is 22 inches end to end with some really nice gold pattern on the blade and scabbard. I don't know if it's the original handle though


Ottoman (Turkish) yataghan. Please post a good close-up of the hilt, this is a high grade blade and the grip, as you said, was probably replaced. There also might be a date within the inscription.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Apr, 2013 5:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sa'ar Nudel wrote:
Henri Moss wrote:
This one is 22 inches end to end with some really nice gold pattern on the blade and scabbard. I don't know if it's the original handle though


Ottoman (Turkish) yataghan. Please post a good close-up of the hilt, this is a high grade blade and the grip, as you said, was probably replaced. There also might be a date within the inscription.


Hi Sa'ar,

Here's the close ups for the Ottoman (Turkish) yataghan. You're right, there is an inscription - although my language skills are terrible!



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