[Roxanne Davis]

We inherited a Japanese suit of Samurai armor that was stashed in my father-in-law's attic for some 40 years in its original box; he and his father brought it back from WWII. The SF Museum of Asian Art told us that it does appear to be authentic and said it is from the Edo period.

We need to transport the box and suit down to Houston and we don't know where to start - meaning how to ship it without damaging it.

Also, where do we send it to be "preserved" so that displaying it in our home won't result in further damage? Overall it's in great shape but we don't want to take a chance with a loose seam or whatever.

I'l try posting some photos - we'll see if it works. All parts are present, though not presented in the photos.

In any case, any advice that you have on transporting it to Texas from Rhode Island - and on where to ship/take it for preservation/restoration would be most appreciated.

Thanks!

Roxanne

[Jeffrey Faulk]

First off: what an extraordinary find!

Second: at first, I thought you were donating it to a museum. My mistake; I take it you are moving and wish to preserve it for display at your home?

I honestly cannot say that I know any people who restore Japanese armour in the States. I'm sure there are many who could do it in Japan, but I imagine the shipping costs back and forth, not to mention the cost of paying for restoration to boot, would be way up there. It would probably be the *best* restoration possible, on the other hand.

Then, another possibility... Make it known to various museums and such that you have this armour, and that you would be willing to loan it to them for display on condition that they restore it and that they return it to you after display. Something local to you would be ideal; that way you could always visit it when you like!

The downside of this is that, well, I don't know if there are any museums of Asian art (or Asian anything) in Houston or Texas, period. You may have to ship it someplace like San Francisco or Seattle.

Here's a question: How accurate of a restoration do you want, i.e., do you want it to be restored to its original 'like new' state from the 18th or early 19th century? Or would you be okay with just making sure that everything was in working order and strung together correctly with new cords, any rusted spots cleaned up, etc? There are a number of armour makers in the States who I'm sure would be quite interested in working on something like this... it would be quite an impressive professional credit for them.

[Roxanne Davis]

Thanks Jeffrey - we are very excited about it!

My husband remembered seeing it as a child but it took us days to excavate the attic to the point where it was finally uncovered. It is definitely pretty cool and seems to be in remarkable shape for its age.

Our main concern is that we want to make sure that we're not going to tear it up by putting it on display. For example, if we hung it on a stand for the Samurai armor and it turned out to have a weak piece of fabric then we could end up ripping it. It's that kind of stuff that we want to prevent; we're not particularly interested in repairing it to improve the aesthetics, if that makes sense. Part of the charm, I think, is the aging of the piece - provided that it's not something that will get worse (e.g. rust), in which case we would want to repair it.

Any ideas on folks in the U.S. who might want to do this? Or would we really be risking it?

I'll touch base with the Museum of Fine Arts here in Houston - never know

Thanks so much for your help!

[Joel Scott]

You need to go to Toraba.com and join the forrum. This is a place that deals in every aspect of old Japanese armor.

[Max Chouinard]

You have one of the biggest Japanese armor collection right in Dallas: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/201...spring.ece

Maybe they could help you with this.

I would recommend seeking the help of professionals. Keeping the armor in its current state is a much better course of action than giving it to an amateur which could result in serious complications. As for storing, display and transport I am pretty sure local museums could help you by giving you advice.

[Roxanne Davis]

Thanks for the tip on Toraba.com, Joel - I will definitely check them out.

Max - yes, we definitely want professionals working on this. From what I gather it is a "nice" piece and we would hate to mess it up. Will check out the Dallas link that you provided - many thanks!

Yesterday we corresponded with someone from the SF Museum of Asian Art and they suggested that (1) we have it appraised and (2) that we take it to an objects conservator (lacquer/metal) and a textiles conservator (silk, fibers) - and hopefully they can work in tandem to restore/preservre it.

Anyone know of conservators in Providence, Rhode Island or Houston, Texas? We also need a good appraiser in Providence.

You have all been so helpful - thank you so much!

[Kalle Kylmänen]

Anthony J. Bryant was the first thing that popped into my mind. He has studied japanese armouring in Japan for several years. From his website (that has probably not been updated since 2004?)

[Roxanne Davis]

Fabulous - thanks Kalle.

I will google Anthony J. Bryant to see if I can find him.

[Eric S]

[Roxanne Davis]

Thanks Eric S.

What are your "indicators" that it is not of great historical value? Just curious, not offended at all.

As for UV. . .naturally our home is pretty much one big glass windowbox. If we have our windows coated with some sort of UV "stuff" will that be sufficient?

[Eric S]

[Joshua Spencer]

I need to give my master smith a call today so I'll ask him if he knows anyone who has experience with Japanese armor. We both live up in the Dallas area but he has a shop at the Texas Ren Fest in Houston, so he's fairly familiar with the folk down there.

[Sean Flynt]

Please note the difference between "conservation" and "restoration".
http://www.helium.com/items/119495-art-conser...estoration
Stabilizing and preserving the piece in it's current state should be significantly cheaper and more locally accessible than using historical techniques to make the piece as-new. Every museum has conservators. I would think that very few have dedicated experts in the techniques required for restoration. In your shoes, I'd see if the Dallas conservators would be willing to do the former.

As for display, one thing you'll see with some Western fabric armours is stabilization by stitching them to an appropriate modern fabric support.

[Roxanne Davis]

Thanks all!

Just last night a conservator from a university museum near Providence contacted us about working on the piece so we're going to look into that option as well. Ideally we'd love to have it done either in Providence or in Houston. . .but we're also considering a (museum) conservator that we found in San Francisco.

I am definitely in the mode of "conserve" vs "restore" - we like the fact that it is old, and looks old

[Eric S]

Without adequate images of all parts front and back it is hard to see exactly what needs to be restored/conserved but from the images available I see no real damage to the cloth and lacing, just some chipping/cracking of lacquer on the menpo and kabuto but nothing out of the ordinary for these types of items. As a side note, Japanese armor items would have originally been packed with each item in its own separate cloth bag for protection, these are rarely seen now. I do see that the kabuto has one ''Fukigaeshi'' (wing or ear like projections) that is missing, this would be extremely difficult to have replaced.

Here is a link to an article detailing the restoration/conservation efforts by one museum on a Japanese armored vest (manchira) as an example of what is involved with such an effort.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:YGUCsMIhbRMJ:www.icom-cc.org/54/document/from-historic-interiors-to-the-conservation-studio-a-route-to-knowledge-of-a-japanese-multi-material-textile-from-the-stibbert-museum-in-florence/%3Faction%3DSite_Downloads_Downloadfile%26id%3D790+manchira&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShjFvK4R-4c1yfGDzps2HBn8NG8U-rLu3KoNzqaLYiUMxhueXByyTzGiRD7PvwZBJnHxUrRbjGez_Exc4_xLd31mLJWpws7F4dsdEEXe4w-t8kfbSTqAFFlhhJxnqcW9gx0GWA9&sig=AHIEtbRwGfo2CyVcGsdUfXfRMKDvxlBDPQ

[David Thatcher]