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Karl Knisley
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 Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: Orcrist from The Hobbit |
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Hello
Here`s a pic of Thorin Oakenshield and Orcrist. I think the blade is awesome! Hurry December:-)
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Bartek Strojek
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: |
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They have chosen quite interesting design, looks pretty much like two handed machaira (I'm not sure if there were any of those with such perfectly straight spines though). With ornate, funky fantasy furniture, obviously.
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T. Arndt
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Colt Reeves
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| T. Arndt wrote: | | Dwarves are now Klingons? Mordor doesn't have a chance.... |
I'm sorry, but with what I know of martial arts, Klingons are just bumbling morons to me. At least the Dwarves will be faster than the Klingons and know more than two moves. 
Edit: Personally I don't care for this interpetation of Thorin's blade. It looks like an oversized Flame of the West split down the middle. Typical fantasy fare.
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Halters for the silly neck that cannot keep a crown.
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T. Arndt
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Colt, I was mainly just referring to the costume. But regarding technique, Gimli didn't really seem to be an exceptional martial artist... (never mind this is all fiction anyway)
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Matthew Bunker
Location: Somerset UK Joined: 02 Apr 2009
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Odd...you'd have thought that they would make it look similar to Glamdring. 
"If a Greek can do it, two Englishman certainly can !"
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Gabriele Becattini
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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the costume and weaponry are awfully out of place and the actor doesen't look even a dwarf!!!
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Joe Fults
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Matthew Bunker wrote: | | Odd...you'd have thought that they would make it look similar to Glamdring. |
Ditto that here...
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Matt Corbin
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not liking that at all
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Eric Bergeron
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry but that sword looks "dumb" to me. I agree it should of looked some what close to Gandalf's sword.
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Tim Lison
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know if Peter Lyons is still in charge of the arms and armor in the Hobbit as he was in LotR? The costumes (and weapons) this time around look a little more like, well, costumes...
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Randall Moffett
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like he might have it from the start of the movie when they are leaving the Shire.
Looks cool. Not sure it'd work in my mind as Orcrist, which if I remember was Glamdring's mate.
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Phil D.
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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The designs are definitely quite a bit more fantasy oriented this time around...they remind me somewhat of the old Brothers Hildebrandt illustrations and a bit like the Warhammer games as well.
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William P
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| Posted: Wed 04 Jul, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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well orcrist is an elvish blade isnt it, considering the designs of hadhafang and the 2 handers of the elvish soldiers it seems lessout of place.. BUT theweapons of the other dwarves seem more fitting since thy are, well dwarves
when i first saw LOTR i noticed a pattern, the dwarves go for lines that resemble their environment aka crystaline, and most crystals ideally have straight lines and high angularity , this straightness and high, abrupt angularity is reflected in their weapon design.
all the dwarvish weapons in the game 'lord of the rings' the third age, plus the strategy games batle for middle earth 2 reflec that style.
the elves on the other hand, seem to have weapons that look alot more organic ith very few straight lines on them.
although closer examination of the elvish weapons would probably disprove that.
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Zac Evans
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Yes it's meant to be similar to Glamdring, but that doesn't mean identical. It reminds me of the paired longsword/falchion owned by emperor Maximilian, at least in concept. There's no real way that a dwarf would be able to carry around, and effectively use a sword identical to the one Gandalf has in LOTR.
As for it being more fantasy, that was a concious choice, as Peter felt that the Hobbit does have a much more high fantasy vibe to it. It has a lot more whimsy compared to the life or death struggle of LOTR. Things like how Gandalf deals with the Trolls, or introducing them all to Beorn, or even the behaviour of the wood elves point to it being a very different world to the one we have 80 years later during the events of the LotR.
I'm not keen on every choice PJ has made, but I can see his reasoning behind it.
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Matthew Bunker
Location: Somerset UK Joined: 02 Apr 2009
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| William P wrote: | | well orcrist is an elvish blade isnt it, |
Yes, but both it and Glamdring were made in the First Age and so predates any other weapon (with the exception of 'Sting' and possibly the spear 'Aeglos') seen in the films by about 3500 years....you'd expect there to be a bit of evolution.
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Paul Watson
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The age difference of the weapons is around 6000 not 3500. Also Narsil was first age as well.
I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, but that which it protects. (Faramir, The Two Towers)
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Matthew Bunker
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| Posted: Thu 05 Jul, 2012 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| Paul Watson wrote: | | The age difference of the weapons is around 6000 not 3500. Also Narsil was first age as well. |
How'd you work that out?
The earliest battle depicted in the films is the conclusion of the War of the Last Alliance in SA 3441, some 3552 years after the first use of Glamdring by Turgon at the Battle of Unnumbered Tears.
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Ant Mercer
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I like that version of Orcrist! It's different to all the other weapons we've seen in LoTR, but still has that Middle Earth flavour... Maybe it'll look more real and less fantastical in the movie?
With regards to the shape, the translation of 'Orcrist' was 'Goblin Cleaver', so maybe it's possible the designer/s focused on the 'cleaver' aspect of it when conceptualising..? Anyway, I like it, but doubt that if/ when they bring out a replica of this one in the UK, that anyone would be allowed to buy it... it could technically be labelled a 'curved blade' and subject to the Japanes Sword ban like many other 'samurai swords'.
I'm a little disappointed that Gimli's double-headed axe doesn't feature in the photos above. According to the FotR movie, he picks it up in the Mines of Moria, after Balin's tomb is smashed by the cave troll, so I hoped to see it make a reappearance in The Hobbit, wielded by Balin...
...maybe it'll be in the 2nd film (crosses fingers). 
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Jim S.
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| Posted: Thu 05 Jul, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Well .... I´ll feel fortunate to view the movie(s) No matter what the sword design or clothing, I am sure that I´ll be pleased with the products. Counting the weeks now ´til December. 
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