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Joshua Anthony
Location: The Redneck Riviera Joined: 17 Sep 2010
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Posted: Wed 27 Jun, 2012 8:55 am Post subject: |
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+1 for William Marshall.
"...He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus, Luke 22:36
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Corey Skriletz
Location: United States Joined: 27 May 2011
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Posted: Wed 27 Jun, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Since we mentioned Old Bill Marshal, I thought I'd ask a question I've been wondering for a while. I read that the church outlawed tournaments on account of the all the deaths, and it wasn't brought back in England until Richard I restored it in five counties upon his return in 1194. But Marshal was a renowned tournament regular. Were all the tournaments he was in illegal, or did he not really start up his tournament career until Richard brought it back? Anybody know anything about this?
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Kai Lawson
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Posted: Wed 27 Jun, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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I could be way off here, but I think he did some stuff in France and maybe the other germanic regions
"And they crossed swords."
--William Goldman, alias S. Morgenstern
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Antonio Ganarini
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Posted: Thu 28 Jun, 2012 2:21 am Post subject: |
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Did anyone mention history of the Church?
18 March - 6 April 1123 First Lateranensis Council (Pope Callisto II):
It claims the right of the Church in the election and consecration of bishops against lay investiture; simony and concubinage among ecclesiastes are condemned as heresies.
April 1139 Second Lateranensis Council (Pope Innocenzo II)
The antipope Anacleto and Arnaldo da Brescia are condemned.
5 -19(22?) March 1179 Third Lateranensis Council (Pope Innocenzo III)
Confessio Fidei against Waldenses and Albigenses. Important definitions about the Trinity, the transubstantiation of the Eucharist, the creation, the redemption and about the sacraments.
Goacchino da Fiore's docrtinal errors are condemned.
Ciao a tutti!
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Roberto Banfi
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Posted: Thu 28 Jun, 2012 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Corey Skriletz wrote: | Since we mentioned Old Bill Marshal, I thought I'd ask a question I've been wondering for a while. I read that the church outlawed tournaments on account of the all the deaths, and it wasn't brought back in England until Richard I restored it in five counties upon his return in 1194. But Marshal was a renowned tournament regular. Were all the tournaments he was in illegal, or did he not really start up his tournament career until Richard brought it back? Anybody know anything about this? |
Corey I think you might find this useful
http://youtu.be/u0LamXQ39EQ
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Josh Warren
Location: Manhattan, Kansas Joined: 01 Nov 2006
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Posted: Fri 29 Jun, 2012 5:03 am Post subject: |
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The absence of plate armour ruins the 12th century for me...
Non Concedo
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Roberto Banfi
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Posted: Fri 29 Jun, 2012 5:15 am Post subject: |
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when dodging and parrying blows was important
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Robin Smith
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Posted: Fri 29 Jun, 2012 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Josh Warren wrote: | The absence of plate armour ruins the 12th century for me... |
See, I'm the exact opposite. I'll take the age of maille any day over later centuries...
A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine
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Ed Toton
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Posted: Fri 29 Jun, 2012 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Kai Lawson wrote: | I second your William Marshal vote. To be winning early combative tournaments and melees, in mail, and doing it frequently? That's a man. |
And he was still kicking butt at the age of 70+. He served four kings over the course of his life, serving as regent for a time, and also rose to become the first earl of Pembroke. He had an amazing career.
-Ed T. Toton III
ed.toton.org | ModernChivalry.org
My armor photos on facebook
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Corey Skriletz
Location: United States Joined: 27 May 2011
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Posted: Sat 30 Jun, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Roberto: Thanks for linking me to that, I loved every minute of it. So if I understand correctly, the church condemned tournaments, but nobody really paid too much attention to that?
Robin: I agree completely, maille and surcaots are what make the 12th century for me.
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Antonio Ganarini
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Posted: Tue 03 Jul, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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In 12th Century arose also the most important military orders:
- 1119 the Templar Knights, in Jerusalem with Ugo of Payens;
- 1120-60 Knights Hospitaller, under Raymond of Puy;
- 1190-98 the Teutonic Order.
Ciao a tutti!
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Gary Teuscher
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Posted: Tue 03 Jul, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | And he was still kicking butt at the age of 70+. He served four kings over the course of his life, serving as regent for a time, and also rose to become the first earl of Pembroke. He had an amazing career. |
Wasn't he about this age and still participating in battles as a combatant? That's amazing if true.
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Michael R. Mann
Location: Germany Joined: 26 Jun 2012
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Posted: Thu 05 Jul, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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11th to 13th century:
The lyrics and songs of the Carmina Burana where written.
Rem: Changed 12th to 13th century
Last edited by Michael R. Mann on Sat 07 Jul, 2012 8:31 am; edited 1 time in total
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Ahmad Tabari
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Posted: Fri 06 Jul, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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The 12th century is without a doubt one of my favourite centuries in human history. From the Muslim,perspective, great military achievements were made in the Middle East at the middle of the century that turned the tables against the Crusader states. Several Seljuk rulers had of course scored majour victories against the Crusaders prior to the rise of the Zengids, but it was really the Zengid dynasty which pushed the fight forward and paved the way for Saladin.
1144: Zengi captures the city of Edessa and effectively ends the crusader principality spurring the second crusade.
1148: The city of Damascus aided by the Zengids successfully repulses a 50,000 man Crusader army, ending the second crusade in failure and influencing the decision of the Damascenes to later on fall under the Zengid fold, thus creating a unified Syrian front.
1164: One of my favourite battles of the period is Harim. Nur al-Din reaches the pinnacle of his military career when he defeats the combined armies of Antioch, Tripoli, the Byzantine Empire, and CIlicia.
And of course there are the three remarkable Zengid Crusader struggles over Egypt from 1164 to 1169 which ended in the loose unification of Syria and Egypt. In opinion Shrikuh's success in driving off the Franks from Egypt was really the beginning of the long end of the Crusader states.
Without a doubt a fascinating century.
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William P
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Posted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 12:54 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_of_the_12th_century
the renaissance of the 12h century,
i made a video rying somewhat incoherently o explain how the 'dark ages but moe specificall the medieval period wasnt THAT bad in terms of medicine and education.
mentioning the founding of medieval universities the rise of logic and heology/ natural philosoph being intermixed and no rival concepts.
that europeans didnt consider chopping off of the limb or prayer as being the sole answer to every injury and infection you got.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:European_Ou...931500.png i mean based on this graph in latin europe we had ~200,000 manuscripts written during the 11th C
during the 12th century they produced nearly 800,000
the amount produced during the 13th cenury was twice that, at nearly 1.8 million
during he 15th century latin europe made an ouput of 5 million manuscripts. and 12 million printed books.
though in the 16th centuy europe printed 200 million books.
Century Manuscripts Books
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Ahmad Tabari
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Very nice article William. The technological advancements of the 12th and 13th centuries were very impressive and long lasting. Unfortunately they are often overlooked in favour of the shiny 15th and 16th century renaissance.
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