[Corey Skriletz]

For my late Norman kit, I have all the necessary pieces of armor, minus the hand wear. I've read most often that Norman knights used maille mittens, but in a lot of non historical interpretations of them, I see leather gauntlets. Buying a pair of brown welder's gauntlets would be a lot cheaper than buying maille mittens, but I've never seen any pictoral evidence supporting leather gauntlets on a 12th century Norman knight. So would that be historically accurate or nay?

[Robin Smith]

You see leather because maille mittens don't show up until the second half of the 12th C. So if you are doing Conquest, early Crusades, or early Anglo-Norman then maille mittens would be out of place. Of course for safety reasons you have to have something, but unless you are doing late 12th, leather is the way to go.

[Henrik Granlid]

What kind of leather gauntlets would be my followup to that question, are we looking at anything in particular?

I personally have rather small hands, as such, welding gauntlets are simply WAY too large for my hands (they're 10s or even larger, I have 7.5)

[Corey Skriletz]

Well they certainly aren't tight on my hands, but they fit over the maille sleeves perfectly, and I've used them so much that I have absolutely no problem moving my fingers appropriately in them. These are the gloves I've been using.

http://www.harborfreight.com/welding-gloves-39664.html

[Randall Moffett]

We are talking about leather gloves here right.

RPM

[Sean Manning]

[Corey Skriletz]

Randall: I don't know what RPM means, but yes, I'm talking about leather welding gloves like the pair I posted a link to.

Sean: I'm not referring to the hard leather hand protection one would see on those who do full-combat reenactment. I'm just referring to leather gloves that would aid in gripping the weapon.

[Elling Polden]

If you want a historical glove, you should try for something akin to the riding gloves worn in the I.33 manuscript.
On top of my head I do not remember if there are sources on them in the 12th century, but there are plenty of depictions in the 13th.
Welders gloves are to bulky and rough; riding gloves where luxury items.

[Randall Moffett]

Corey,

RPM, Randall Porter Moffett- it is my name.

[Corey Skriletz]

Elling: So more of a smooth, tighter glove like this?

http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-49-leather-gauntlets.aspx

Randall: Oh I see.

[Roberto Banfi]

you might want to consider also something like these

http://www.medieval-market.com/details.php?id_towar=289&s=1

basically a pair of leather gloves covered with gambeson/aketon fabric

possibly a base for adding maille covering

[Brian Robson]

If it's not for safety purposes, why not go for what we definately know is authentic for the period and simply keep the hands bare?

Gives a better 'feel' for the weapon too imho.

Hard to say though without knowing the purpose for you getting the kit together. - If for an accurate representation, no gloves is good - for steel re-enactment combat, you'll need thick leather hand protection as a concession to historical accuracy for safety reasons. I personally can't think of any reasons you would want to look at modern gloves as part of historical kit if not for safety reasons.

[Elling Polden]

Corey: Yes, closer. Yet those gloves still look rather modern. The originals as seen in I.33:


Note that they are depicted white (lambskin). Most commonly, they are seen on civilian noblemen, but since these are the same people as armed noblemen, wearing them with your military gear i not far fetched.

[Randall Moffett]

I like leather driver gloves (not driving gloves by the way, driver gloves come from the gloves used for cattle and farm work from what I gather).

They tend to be made of good solid leather. Make sure you find the kind without elastic, and if you do make sure you can remove the elastic with ease before buying them. The easy ones to use do not have elastic but they have either a buckle or the like to close the end. You can simply cut this off and you are good.

I still sometimes use welding gaunts if I know they will take some abuse alone as they have a bit more padding on the outside. You can remove this quite easy as well f you need a thinner gauntlet.

RPM

[Sean Manning]

[Johan Gemvik]

These in I33 look a lot like the civli & Indian war american cavalry gloves. Maybe civil war re-enactors use something similar that's being sold somewhere on the web?

[Phil D.]

Here are some...

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006Z8D5AI/ref=asc_d...nkCode=asn

https://www.atlantacutlery.com/p-745-civil-war-union-enlisted-mens-white-leather-gauntlets.aspx

https://www.atlantacutlery.com/p-2035-civil-war-confederate-enlisted-mens-cream-leather-gauntlets.aspx

And a pattern if you want to make your own...

http://www.amazon.com/Pattern-Studio-Gala-Gau...amp;sr=8-1

Better pattern selection.Just type "gauntlets" in the search box...

http://www.patternsoftime.com/search.asp

[Corey Skriletz]

Thanks to all of you for your recommendations and help. I have considered going bare-handed, but the maille hauberk I've been using has (for lack of a better word that I can think of) wizard sleeves, which hang down. To remedy this, I bound the sleeves at my wrist with a leather strap. I want a gauntlet to wear over it to hide the bunched-up sleeve, which in my opinion looks very bad. I'm trying to keep the kit aesthetically pleasing, while retaining some measure of historical accuracy.

The driver gloves look great for work around the house, but I can't find any with a cuff big-enough form y purposes.

The three-fingered gloves look very cool. I think they have something like that in the Maciejowski Bible. It's very cool that they're made of Linen, but again I fear the cuff just isn't long enough.

I think the best way to go would be the white lamb-skins that Elling pointed out. I had thought about Civil War gauntlets, but I feel like the designs on the back of the hand look too modern. Does it look to anyone else that the designs could be unstitched?

Just to be sure, the earliest depiction of fingered maille gauntlets wasn't until fifty years later in the Maciejowski Bible, right?

Thanks again, to everyone for your help.

[Corey Skriletz]

By the way, Elling, that's a great kit!

[Sander Marechal]