6 in 1 maille -- myArmoury.com

Jan J. Gahy · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 4:22 am Post subject: 6 in 1 maille

6 in 1 pattern maille or as we call it in Slovakia "the kings pattern".
Does anyone have this kind of pattern in full maille? Is there any historical evidence of this kind of maille or using this pattern? I once heard that these pattern could be used for maille coif because of its density of the rings for better head protection.
Thanks for answer in advance.

Randall Moffett · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 5:33 am Post subject:

There is a mail matle at the British Museum which has some 6 in 1 parts.

RPM

Dan Howard · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject:

I vaguely recall a middle eastern haubergeon that was made entirely of 6-in-1. I trusted the source at the time but can't remember it atm.

Eric S · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject:

The Japanese used 6 in 1 mail.

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Dan Howard · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject:

That's not what is referred to as "kings pattern". The weave in question looks exactly like 4-in-1 except when up close.

Glen A Cleeton · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject:

http://artofchainmail.com/patterns/european/basic1in6.html

William P · Posted: Fri 30 Mar, 2012 1:28 am Post subject:

i made an experimental batch of 6 in one ouf of quite large key rings and the 6 in 1 had some issues with flexibility comapred to the 4 in one, yes im aware that key rings big enough to go onto ones inex finger, nickel plated no less, would replicate much smaller diameter historical maile.

so i could imagine someone making a maile haubers that has sections that are of a 6 in one weave, like the shoulders or maybe the elbow, or the back of the hands/ wrist,

in the case of byzantine, russian and persian helmets with full face maile curtains, a bit moresolid maile wouldnt go amiss.
(cataphract helmets, i forget which era, often had at LEAST a double maile screen, some had three layers (at this point, that much maile will start behaving like solid plate, almost)

but not a WHOLE hauberk/haubergon of maile, however a 6 in 1 byrnie i.e a shirt of maile would be managable, and a short, almost a vest of 6 in one maile over a normal 4 in one hauberk would maybe provide the extra protection of vital points one would need , but not all the time.

Dan Howard · Posted: Fri 30 Mar, 2012 2:28 am Post subject:

I made a whole haubergeon out of 6-in-1. I had to use finer wire than I would have with 4-in-1 but there were no flexibility issues at all.

Dan Howard · Posted: Fri 30 Mar, 2012 2:32 am Post subject:

The above photo is a good example of how crazy you have to get with small diameters and multiple links for butted mail to provide any kind of protection against points.

Jan J. Gahy · Posted: Fri 30 Mar, 2012 9:37 am Post subject:

Thanks for answers

That Japanese armour looks amazing, maybe I ll try to do something similar. Happy

I saw those triangular patterns before but not with multiple rings.

About 6 in 1 pattern: I was recently trying this pattern and i was surprised by its thickness and flexibility, thats why i was asking question about historical evidences of this pattern because Im thinking about making the whole shirt from it. Here are photos of what i did (those are only butted rings) and comparison with 4 in 1 pattern. (sorry for mobile phone quality:/)

Dan: would you please post picture of that 6 in 1 haubergeon? Im really curious how it looks like when its done.

Dan Howard · Posted: Fri 30 Mar, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject:

I sold my entire armour collection a few years ago to pay for the Dendra Panoply. I'm slowly building up my collection again but most of my replicas and reconstructions are from the Bronze Age now.

Adam Bohnstengel · Posted: Sun 01 Apr, 2012 9:33 am Post subject:

Johan Gemvik · Posted: Sun 01 Apr, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject:

I've seen a few museum piece neck protectors made with 6 in 1 pattern. Never seen an entire maille in 6 in 1 though, but that doesn't mean they never existed or isn't out there in some museum.

Every tailored maille woudl have some small areas with it as expanding and shrinking the weave results in some rings collecting 6 or even as much as 8 rings.
I know from experimenting a lot with butted 6 in 1 mailles some 15-20 years ago that it got heavier and a little less flexible. Not unmanageable, but they are a bit harder to tailor though.

Dan Howard · Posted: Sun 01 Apr, 2012 2:06 pm Post subject:

Dan Howard · Posted: Sun 01 Apr, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject:

Johan Gemvik · Posted: Sun 01 Apr, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject:

Randall Moffett · Posted: Sun 01 Apr, 2012 3:02 pm Post subject:

Dan,

I think Russ Mitchel found another example in Hungary of 6 in 1 mail. I thought I had pictures of what he posted but could not find it there or on the AA..

RPM

Luka Borscak · Posted: Sun 01 Apr, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject:

Is this the one from BM? I didn't know it's 6 in 1 when I saw it, I thought the rings are just thicker and maybe smaller in the upper part...

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Julio Junco · Posted: Sun 01 Apr, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject:

I made 6 x 1 mail nine years ago. It was absolutely flexible, and more like weave, like real clothing.
It was 1'3 wire, stainless steel, piano wire. Really hard. And with 8-8'5 mm internal diameter.It weighs 9'8 kgs.
Not historic, but it was very very nice. And opaque, you don´t see nothing back of the mail.
Julio

Johan Gemvik · Posted: Mon 02 Apr, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: