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J.D. Crawford
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Tim Lison
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Awesome! That B.1 is soooooo cool. I'm not sure I've sen a B.1 paired with such a thin type 1. Makes for a great match in my opinion! Could be an interesting reproduction for someone who likes that sort of sword... 
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J.D. Crawford
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| Tim Lison wrote: | | Awesome! That B.1 is soooooo cool. I'm not sure I've sen a B.1 paired with such a thin type 1. Makes for a great match in my opinion! Could be an interesting reproduction for someone who likes that sort of sword... |
My thoughts as well. 
This one is also interesting: http://moteur.musenor.com/application/moteur_...vre=394617
The blade, wide cross, and short handle have a 12-13th century look but the pommel looks like a stubby 15th century scent-stopper. Hard to tell what the blade is from the photo - looks XII but from the 14th century date they give it and overall presentation it ought to be XVI.
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Luka Borscak
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Josh S
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And just look at the pommel on this thing! Reminds me very much of the various type XIIIs, as well as the Castilion-inspired XVIII, that Michael Pikula made, which were the first time I'd seen such large disk pommels: http://moteur.musenor.com/application/moteur_...vre=394764
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Fabrice Cognot
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Some of these swords, and others from this museum were displayed during the latest exhibition at the Cluny in Paris.
A lot of them have been cleaned/restored in the late XXth/early XXIst century, and I don't know to what extent. And as always, there are a few dubious details here and ther : the extra wide cross, for isntance, on one of the swords linked above seems a bit out of place to me.
Remember most of them were also 'found' or 'acrquired' in the XIXth century, and at that time people would seldom hesitate to mutilate/reassambnle/arrange things to their likings.
Still, I'm planning to spend some time in St Omer some day.
Cheers
Fab
PhD in medieval archeology.
HEMAC member
De Taille et d'Estoc director
Maker of high quality historical-inspired pieces.
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J.D. Crawford
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| Fabrice Cognot wrote: | | A lot of them have been cleaned/restored in the late XXth/early XXIst century, and I don't know to what extent. And as always, there are a few dubious details here and ther : the extra wide cross, for isntance, on one of the swords linked above seems a bit out of place to me. |
I know what you mean. All of their older swords have a similar surface (although it may be lighting) which seems to suggest electrolytic cleaning, from what I know of it. And whenever one sees odd combinations of features it makes you wonder.
I'm not so bothered by the long cross on that one sword - that was a fashion on 13th century German swords of similar blade type (see http://independent.academia.edu/MarkoAleksic/..._of_Type_N - and my avatar!) but the pommel seems out of place on that sword with a slightly different surface. Or is it?
If you could drop by some time I would love to see more information on those swords. I never heard of this collection until accidentlly coming across the web sites above. They don't appear in the common English language reference books.
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Neil Melville
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Thanks for the link, JD, it's a really good collection despite the odd reservation. I too discovered it by chance when touring north France some years ago and can recommend a visit for anyone.
Neil
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Fabrice Cognot
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| J.D. Crawford wrote: | | I'm not so bothered by the long cross on that one sword - that was a fashion on 13th century German swords of similar blade type (see http://independent.academia.edu/MarkoAleksic/..._of_Type_N - and my avatar!) but the pommel seems out of place on that sword with a slightly different surface. Or is it? |
In fact, the pommel seems to be Ok with the blade : same pitting, same patina. And intesting details as well, not really visible onthe official photos. The cross is different, too different not to raise doubt : different 'color' (though I agree the term is inappropriate), it simply doesn't fit with the rest.
Cheers
Fab
PhD in medieval archeology.
HEMAC member
De Taille et d'Estoc director
Maker of high quality historical-inspired pieces.
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