[Nathan Quarantillo]

Hello all! I wore my maille with my surcoat, and the maille really did it's best to de-construct the surcoat.
It pulled on some of the threads in the fabric itself, and I came off with this awful grey/black stain under the armpits from the maille rubbing.

How do the folks here keep that stuff from happening? is there a special material that isn't so apt to be eaten alive by maille? (BTW, mine is made of linen.)

And how do I prevent the hauberk from rubbing gray into the surcoat? Is the armpit the only place this happens?

All help is appreciated, thanks
-Nathan Quarantillo

[JE Sarge]

To be honest, you cannot prevent it. There is no type of coating or treatment you can do to the steel to prevent friction from wearing it off, and there is nothing you can do to the cloth which will keep it from taking the stains.

I have worn maille and surcoats for years. I am sure in antiquity, they had to replace the surcoats every now and then, as they do wear, tear, get stained, etc... - I have yet to have a surcoat made of any fabric which would not damage and stain over time - especially with ready-made riveted malle with rougher rivets peens and edges (I cannot afford the real stuff).

One other option would be stainess maille, such as that by Ring Mesh or Ring Lord - but this is totally out the window for anything which you want to look remotely authentic. I have a coat of it I wear on hot days, and it does not seem to stain or harm my surcoats.

This is just something you have to Oxyclean out or whip-stitch up after wearing it if you like the maille you have now. Then, when the surcoat gets too ragged, just replace it. This is what they would have done historically anyway.

[Aleksei Sosnovski]

You can:
- replace your surcoat often. After a battle surcoat would probably be shredded beyond repair so replacements should have been readily available.
- make surcoat of other color so that stains are not so obvious
- make surcoat of multiple layers of fabric. Use some relatively thick and hard-wearing for the inner layer (like fabric used for workers' trousers) and whatever you like for the outer layer. Modern linen is usually not very dense and therefore not very wear-resistent.
- sew additional layer under the armpits where the stains are. Once it gets stained or torn-substitute this layer with a new, clean one.

[Sander Marechal]

I have no problem with stains because my surcoat is black. But after about a year of use it is in need of repair. Some of the people in my group made their surcoat of two layers of denser, rougher linen. They seem to last much better. That's what I'm going to do for my next surcoats.

I wouldn't worry about stains and such. Real knights probably looked a bit scruffy as well, with stains from maille, mud and grass, dents and gashes in the shield and scratches in the helmet paint

[Nathan Quarantillo]

Yeah, I understand that the reality is that real maille will try to eat your surcoat, and knights weren't immune to wear-and-tear.
I was simply looking for anything to increase it's life-span.

BTW, I'm having a new surcoat made, one that I'm having designed in a way that will try to make it maille-friendly as possible.
It will have a thick black lining, and have sleeves that will extend just below the elbow. Almost 3/4 sleeves. I've seen period (13th century) images of this done, and this will prevent the rubbing stains from the arm. The maille for the mostpart will only come into contact with the lining.

[Bjorn Hagstrom]

My first advice would be to change materials.
Use wool, preferably of a stamped quality so it is a bit felted.
A good quality wool will both resist wear much better than linen and handle the grease-stains better as well.

[Brian Robson]

Just to echo what some others have said here, I've always preferred woll for surcoats - they seem to repel the dirt better and just hang better too.

For Linen, you need 2 layers otherwise it just doesn't hang right. Also it keeps the edges much cleaner and less likely to snag - and also gives another layer to wear through. As mentioned a heavier grade and darker inner colour are always a good idea too so the oily stains don't stand out so much. (Although I always avoid black - I hear it's generally not viewed as a very 'manly' colour - being associated with the clergy)

[Sander Marechal]