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Peter O Zwart
Location: Ontario Canada Joined: 28 Nov 2010
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Hey guys, I have a brother in B.C. and he was looking into doing some training and came across this group:
http://www.academieduello.com/index.html
While the historic side is interesting for him, he is really interested in the practical side of things as well. So basically I was wondering if any of you have any thoughts about this group, or even better if any of you have actually trained with them. Input both on the historic and practical side is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
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Craig Peters
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I went down and checked them out once. They were alright; I think they're rapier is better than their longsword. I did not care for some of the ways they preformed strikes and actions, including holding vom Tach on the shoulder, but that is a methodological disagreement more than anything. When I was there, some of their instructors were rather new and not that good, but that was a couple of years back, and I cannot speak for now.
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Sean Manning
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I was there for an event once, and have trained besode Devon Boorman. Duello has some very good Italian rapier teachers; they do some Bolognese sword and buckler and Fiore longsword but those programs are newer. The school has been accepted into the Chivalric Fighting Arts Association, which has some of the best teachers in North America. Devon is an excellent athelete and a good teacher.
There are several other groups in Vancouver, including the Scatha Combat Guild which seems to be a splinter from the Academie. The lower Mainland/northern Washington State area is one of the best places in the world for WMA instruction right now.
| Peter O Zwart wrote: | Hey guys, I have a brother in B.C. and he was looking into doing some training and came across this group:
http://www.academieduello.com/index.html
While the historic side is interesting for him, he is really interested in the practical side of things as well. So basically I was wondering if any of you have any thoughts about this group, or even better if any of you have actually trained with them. Input both on the historic and practical side is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, |
Could you explain what you mean by the difference between historical and practical? Paying attention to people who fought with swords, or successfully prepared students to fight with swords, seems like a pretty good strategy for learning how to survive a swordfight.
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Tod Glenn
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There's certainly a progression from Liechtenauer and other early masters to later masters where complexity of technique seems to imply techniques more suited to longsword fencing than fighting. Simple brutal and deadly is more suited to blade combat in the mind of many 'realistic' modern fighting schools. Indeed, some argue that modern schools of historical longsword that do a lot of competition are becoming more like modern fencing clubs, with an emphasis on scoring rather than winning a real fight - which is certainly understandable since the sword is not really a fighting weapon any longer and one is left with competition to test oneself.
It's comparable to Asian martial arts where some teachers focus on winning matches, while other try to simulate real fights.
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Christian Henry Tobler
Location: Oxford, CT Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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Mackenzie Cosens
Location: Vancouver Canada Joined: 08 Aug 2007
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Academie Duello is a very good school and Devon is a excellent instructor. I have work with Devon in the past and I have always been impressed with his understanding. In my opinion Academie Duello does a very good job with their in Italian Rapier and offer very interesting opportunities in other arts . Your brother would be very well taught if he decided to train with them.
I am not sure what you mean by "practical", personally I don't believe there is anything that constitutes a practical sword art anymore, they all fall under the context of historical, sport or cultural since it is unlikely anyone is going to try and kill you with a sword. If you mean modern self defense, then a school like bill Wolfe's Modern Defendo in New Westminster http://www.moderndefendo.ca/ might be a better choice. He teaches a curriculum that based in modern context of police and military experience with its own "historical" connections to the Canadian military.
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Peter O Zwart
Location: Ontario Canada Joined: 28 Nov 2010
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| Quote: | | Could you explain what you mean by the difference between historical and practical? Paying attention to people who fought with swords, or successfully prepared students to fight with swords, seems like a pretty good strategy for learning how to survive a swordfight. |
What I mean by "practical" is techniques and training that can be used outside sword fighting. as far as sword fighting itself goes I totally agree that studying history is probably the best way to learn how to survive, how ever sword fighting is not all that common outside of film and people like us 
Looking at their programs it looks like they teach some grappling, dagger, and quarter staff technique as well.
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Sam Gordon Campbell
Location: Australia. Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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The only "practical" I've experianced is learning wrestling/dagger, pugilsim, and how to use any legth of stick (I bushwalk a lot so it makes it practical for moi). That being said if you happen to be an Immortal than you'd better learn it all 
But yeah, these guys seem pretty switched on.
Member of Australia's Stoccata School of Defence since 2008.
Host of Crash Course HEMA.
Founder of The Van Dieman's Land Stage Gladiators.
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Peter O Zwart wrote: | | Quote: | | Could you explain what you mean by the difference between historical and practical? Paying attention to people who fought with swords, or successfully prepared students to fight with swords, seems like a pretty good strategy for learning how to survive a swordfight. |
What I mean by "practical" is techniques and training that can be used outside sword fighting. as far as sword fighting itself goes I totally agree that studying history is probably the best way to learn how to survive, how ever sword fighting is not all that common outside of film and people like us
Looking at their programs it looks like they teach some grappling, dagger, and quarter staff technique as well. |
General principles are always applicable to other martial arts or self defense: Controlling distance, timing, situational awareness are all universal skills.
As well sword, staff ( Bo ), shorter staffs ( Jo ), canes, umbrellas or any 2»4" that comes to hand can be used with the learned skills as well as being able to avoid being hit by said 2X4 in the hands of an attacker instead of just standing there slack jawed and frozen in place.
The wrestling and dagger work also having modern application in principle but certainly learning a modern Martial art would be an asset.
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Christian Henry Tobler
Location: Oxford, CT Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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Sean Manning
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Mac and Jean have good points about historical martial arts and self defense or a violent job. I can't say whether Academie Duello is the right school for the OP's brother, but its a good place to learn to fence.
Indeed; my apologies to Hammaborg and SESH and the Exiles for the slight (I'm not familiar with every member organization, especially the European ones, but I know and respect those three).
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Peter O Zwart
Location: Ontario Canada Joined: 28 Nov 2010
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Thank you all for your feedback and advice, it's helped allot in giving my brother advice on a group that I had never heard of before. And it makes me look smart 
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This is a standard topic