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Bill Grandy
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 Posted: Wed 08 Jun, 2011 10:13 am Post subject: Osprey illustration: Early 14th c. Central Italian Horseman |
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In the Osprey Man-at-Arms series Italian Medieval Armies 1300-1500 there is an illustration of a knight wearing leather armor. He is described as a "Central Italian Horseman, early 14th C". The sources are supposedly from effigies from the 1300-25 in the Salerno and Lucera Cathedrals, frescoes from San Gimignano from 1290-1300, and a bas-relief in Bargello, Florence from 1320-25.
Does anyone know of online places to find any of these sources that inspired the illustration? I've always really liked the harness, but I want to look more into the historical sources to see how much is spot on and how much is artistic license.
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The image from the Osprey title.
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Gabriele Becattini
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Felix R.
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| Posted: Wed 08 Jun, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Here is the Bas relief at least.
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Phil D.
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| Posted: Wed 08 Jun, 2011 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Great site w/great pics Gabriele...thanks for posting it.
"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world." -- Louis Pasteur
"A gentleman should never leave the house without a sharp knife, a good watch, and great hat."
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Bill Grandy
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| Posted: Wed 08 Jun, 2011 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Gabriele Becattini wrote: | http://www.villaggiomedievale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2057
try this link, at the top of the page you can find some historical examples |
Thanks Gabriele. Are any of those from the sources Osprey named? My Italian is non-existent outside of fencing terminology. 
To be clear, I specifically want to know how accurate that illustration is, which is why I'm looking for the sources that inspired it. Though alternate historical sources are certainly welcome.
HistoricalHandcrafts.com
-Inspired by History, Crafted by Hand
"For practice is better than artfulness. Your exercise can do well without artfulness, but artfulness is not much good without the exercise.” -anonymous 15th century fencing master, MS 3227a
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Bill Grandy
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| Posted: Wed 08 Jun, 2011 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| Felix R. wrote: | | Here is the Bas relief at least. |
Thanks!
HistoricalHandcrafts.com
-Inspired by History, Crafted by Hand
"For practice is better than artfulness. Your exercise can do well without artfulness, but artfulness is not much good without the exercise.” -anonymous 15th century fencing master, MS 3227a
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Gabriele Becattini
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| Posted: Wed 08 Jun, 2011 11:54 am Post subject: |
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another picture from the tomb of Guillame du Durfort, the french commander of the Florentine army at the battle of Campaldino 1289,
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Felix R.
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| Posted: Wed 08 Jun, 2011 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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The line drawings from Nicoles Arms and Armour of the crusading era give some sources in english. There is the translated information for those paintings in Gabrieles thread.
Here´s another one, the arm harness is quite close.
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Alexander Bastoky
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| Posted: Tue 08 May, 2012 8:43 am Post subject: Italian Horseman Cuir Bouilli |
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Sorry to resurrect this topic, but I thought it was pretty interesting. The images that Gabrielle put up seem to be very good sources.Bill did you ever end up doing anything with this idea?
I found that master armoruer Chris Dobson of the UK does some incredible cuir bouilli work: http://www.masterarmourer.com/13th_century.html
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Bill Grandy
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| Posted: Tue 08 May, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Italian Horseman Cuir Bouilli |
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| Alexander Bastoky wrote: | | Bill did you ever end up doing anything with this idea? |
No, it's still on my "potential projects for the future" list, which as many here can relate, gets longer all the time.
HistoricalHandcrafts.com
-Inspired by History, Crafted by Hand
"For practice is better than artfulness. Your exercise can do well without artfulness, but artfulness is not much good without the exercise.” -anonymous 15th century fencing master, MS 3227a
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Alexander Bastoky
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| Posted: Tue 08 May, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Bill,
Are you interpreting the illustration as an armoured surcoat under a cuir bouilli breasplate, or something else?
-Alex
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Paul Hansen
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This is a standard topic