[Patrick Lawrence]

I know that in the range 1280-1325 chainmail was the norm for hand protection. But what are some of the other alternatives. I have seen some of the effigies with what looks like padded gloves done like gambesons it looks like and and some that might show early plates over leather gloves. Any way any help you guys can give me will help

[Stephen Curtin]

Hi Patrick, I can't remember where but I know that I've seen gauntlets dating to around this period, made of small whale-bone plates attached to the back of a leather mitten style glove.

[Sam Gordon Campbell]

Whale bone gauntlets?
Now that I'd like to see.
And Patrick, you could always try Wisby Type gauntlets.

[Scott Kowalski]

For what it is worth I have heard the same thing about the whale bone scale gauntlets. I say this because it is from different Osprey titles. I would need to look through my books to confirm which ones but I do know that one of the French Medieval Armies ones has an illustration of them being worn.

[Jonas Balvonas]

maybe this one? it can be made from bone, or steel?
http://www.themcs.org/armour/knights/Buslingt...e%2016.JPG

[Randall Moffett]

There are actually by 1290 a great deal of evidence of rigid, plate or perhaps scale gauntlets. By 1300-1310 is when you see in artwork the shift toward plate gauntlets in artwork. Try looking up the Queen Mary Psalter. It is dated to 1300-1310 and is loaded with illustrations of gauntlets. As well Ralph de Nesle has some in his inventory as well.

When I get some work out of the way today I will look for some pictures and more info on this.

RPM

[Patrick Lawrence]

Thanks for the fast replies guys

Jonus thanks that one looks like a nice set of scale guantlets.

Randall thanks for the tip on the Queen Mary Psalter. Already found what look like plate guantlets on one of the images. The top part of this image the one with the crown has them on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...ckburn.jpg

Also the figure right in the center of the top seems to have a coat of plates on with the plates on the outside since they overlap. And I think a couple of them have gorgets maybe. Interesting art work.

[Randall Moffett]

That illustration is actually from the Holkham Bible, dated to 1326. It is of the battle of Bannockburn in 1314 however.

Unfortunately most of the pictures online of the Queen Mary Psalter are only a tiny fragment of the ones that are in the book. I checked the two online sources that usually have the most available but came up empty.

If you go to the British Library website (www.bl.uk) It has an image search and you simply have to input the dates and a key word such as armour and you are good to go.

Here is a link to one you can use at the BL.
http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/welcome.htm

Here is folio 149 v. Sadly the image is not very clear so you cannot see the detail in the gauntlet but it looks to be a simple metacarpal plate with finger scales. The mail is at least fairly clear though.


RPM

[Patrick Lawrence]

Ahh I see well at least it is close enough the time period I want haha.

Thanks for the linking looking up things now

By the way are the Wisby guantlets the closest serviving quantlets we have? I know they were later but from I know many have suggested they were out dated at the time.

[Randall Moffett]

Yes. My guess is that some of the Wisby gauntlets were relatively old designs bu Wisby as they look similar to some from artwork of the first decades of the 14th.

We have John de Eltham's 1336 Effigy that shows a very developed form of gauntlet that seems to be an intermediary between the earlier types from the 14th and those of the mid to late 14th.

http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/john_of_eltham/

RPM

[Patrick Lawrence]

Thanks Randall that looks like a good example of the transition.

From looking at all of these I am thinking of going with something like this (these are direct copies of one of the wisby guantlets.) http://www.crimsonforge.com/images/20%20-%20Catalog%2005_sm.jpg

[Randall Moffett]

Yes except the cuffs. You need something that is more close fitting and likely with plates riveted on the inside or outside.

RPM

[Patrick Lawrence]

Ya more like this http://www.darkheartarmoury.com/averre-gauntlet09.jpg

[Randall Moffett]

That is correct. You also could perhaps simply use a long sleeve mail shirt with little to no cuff at all on the gauntlet.

RPM

[Patrick Lawrence]

Thats true I might see what mail shirt I come up with before I make a choice on the gauntlets.

[Aleksei Sosnovski]

There are pretty developed plate gauntlets on picture in this thread (second knight from the left, wielding an axe in two hands): http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=22972. Check if these fit into your period.

[Patrick Lawrence]

Happened to see another good example I think..... Don Alvaro de Cabrera, Viscount of Ager (1299)
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/alvaro_de_cabrera/

But not sure about the construction of those. The nuckles and fingers seem to be plates. But from the nuckles back looks like it is flexible.

[Patrick Lawrence]

Here is a link to some more on an effigy dated 1319 to 1338. http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/albrecht_von_hohenlohe/

[Sam Gordon Campbell]

Poor Patrick seems to be doing all the leg work
I myself intend to get a pair.

[Patrick Lawrence]

Thanks for the help Sam