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PostPosted: Mon 21 Mar, 2011 2:47 pm    Post subject: Early 15th century brigandines         Reply with quote

Greetings! Recently a question arose regarding a likehood of using brigandines in Britain in the late 14th and early 15th centuries - there is plenty of information regarding second half of the 15th century, but what about the early part? For example, how likely is that man at arms could have used a brigandine in Agincourt? Is there any documentary or iconographic evidence? As far as I am aware, there is no actual findings of parts of such armour, or am I wrong?
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar, 2011 9:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Probably a brigandine is too late for beginning of the 15 century.
But a coat of plates will do

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 1:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ben Anbeek wrote:
Probably a brigandine is too late for beginning of the 15 century.
But a coat of plates will do

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Well we have samples of brigandines from the time period - Chalchis beeing the best known, of course, also from Livorno area. The question is more in regards of possibility of it beeing used in Britain.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 4:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Artis, Could you post some images or links on brigandines from Livorno?
I haven't heard of any brigandines from there...

As far as I know, There are some examples of transitional brigandines, but they are called corazzina and there are some examples on the internet.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 5:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is descriebed as the armour of Charles VI (1368-1422) . I think it is a good example of 14/15 century brigandine.



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PostPosted: Thu 24 Mar, 2011 5:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I am attaching a couple of pictures from the finds in Livorno area - like I said, the placement of plates is questionable, but they are hard evidence of their existence.

Michal, I am a bit doubtful about the possibility of this armour being from the late 14th century - it's construction appears to be more like second part of 15th century, judging from the size of the plates. Can you give any more information about that particular brigandine?



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PostPosted: Thu 24 Mar, 2011 7:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Michal, I am a bit doubtful about the possibility of this armour being from the late 14th century - it's construction appears to be more like second part of 15th century, judging from the size of the plates. Can you give any more information about that particular brigandine?


This brigandine is commonly attributed to Charles VI, anywhere I can see.

It is, as it can be seen, connected with hourglass gauntlets and the rest of armor pieces from around that time, in Chatres Catedral, I believe.

If it is properly dated, is another question, of course, but it's being called c.1380
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