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Robert Hinds
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 Posted: Sat 26 Feb, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: Pourpoint worn under jacks? |
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I was wondering if pourpoints were worn under jacks for pointing the hose to? Since wearing a doublet underneath a jack would be a bit warm, but I'm not sure what else they would use to keep the hose up.
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Craig Wrenn
Location: Lincoln England Joined: 07 Jan 2009
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I could be wrong, and I often am but do we know that a pourpoint was ever worn.
The consensus on other forums I go on seems to be that even though the pourpoints are worn throughout the re-enacting community, we only have two images of a sleeveless doublet to work from and they are of french farmers, not military people at all.
Like I say, I could be wrong and am quite happy to be proved wrong because then i can make one and wear it instead of my doublet.
Craig
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Chris Kelson
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| Posted: Sun 27 Feb, 2011 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Pourpoint worn under jacks? |
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| Robert Hinds wrote: | | I was wondering if pourpoints were worn under jacks for pointing the hose to? Since wearing a doublet underneath a jack would be a bit warm, but I'm not sure what else they would use to keep the hose up. |
Pourpoint as a term I believe is pretty much interchangeable with doublet, and since it seems jacks were worn over regular clothing, then yes.
The main description we have of a sleeveless doublet (which I think is what you are referring to) is a very specific one from instructions along with construction of incredibly tough jacks, which seems to indicate that it was not a common item. I have one for wearing underneath a jack, but only then as I cannot provide evidence for it's use outside of the context of wearing under a thick jack until about the late 1480s when the images of miners and such appear. The common re-enactorism for keeping hose up otherwise is to tie the points to a belt, which pretty much never works entirely properly from what I've seen, and tends to leave the hose hanging loose and baggy.
I'd say it is better to have a sleeveless doublet on under a jack than to be melting or any other alternatives for keeping your hose up. That or don't keep your hose up, and roll them down if they're not joined. Just make sure everything stays in your breeches 
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Came across the idea that the 'petticoat' might be an alternative term/design for the same role, does anyone know more on this line of thought?
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Chuck Russell
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i wear a pourpoint to hold up my hosen when i wear an arming coat under my jack. but thats only if i wear the metal arms etc. if not i just put my jack on over my doublet
(oh my jack is sleeveless btw)
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Robert Hinds
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Thanks for your input guys. Regardless of whether they were used in period in such a way I'm going to wear one anyway, since the doublet I want to get has puffed sleeves (wouldn't fit under my jack anyways) and because a normal doublet would be a bit warm in the summer sun...but then again a jack in the summer sun is going to be hot anyways. 
"Young knight, learn to love God and revere women; thus your honor will grow. Practice knighthood and learn the Art that dignifies you, and brings you honor in wars." -Johannes Liechtenauer
"...And he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one..." Luke 22:36
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