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Joakim Løvgren
Location: Odense, Denmark Joined: 14 Oct 2010
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 Posted: Mon 07 Feb, 2011 3:11 am Post subject: Padding for a late 14th century bascinet? |
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I am considering buying an armour from the late 14th century.
I've made some thoughts about how I want it to look like, of course, and then I've come up with a question:
How was the padding for a late 14th century bascinet?
Some look like there is a thick layer of padding, so you feel like you are wearing a motor cykle helmet, and others, like Tobias Capwell's, look like there's only a small layer, and that you rely on the hardening of your helmet to take the blow from a sword/lance etc.
I know that mr. Capwell's armour is a later type than the late 14th century, but you could imagine that the same type of padding were used.
Does anyone got something to say about this subject?
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Notice the padding seems to be very thin.
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Joakim Løvgren
Location: Odense, Denmark Joined: 14 Oct 2010
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Just found a picture of a bascinet with thick padding, from the skillfull armourer Grzegorz Kulig 
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An example of thick padding.
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Randall Moffett
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I think we have a few remaining liners from late 14th bascinets. I could not find them where I thought they were but I cannot find my Churburg pictures at the moment.
My take is they usually range from around 3/8-5/8 of an inch. You have some variation. I have seen some liners from other helmets that were higher up to around an inch and lower but I figure that a decent average.
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Joakim Løvgren
Location: Odense, Denmark Joined: 14 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon 07 Feb, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Alright. So you would say that you easily could make a thin layer of padding to a bascinet from 1400 for example?
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Mackenzie Cosens
Location: Vancouver Canada Joined: 08 Aug 2007
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From my collection of somewhat anonymous images. I am not sure who this is but I believe it is early 15th century Burgundian:
Image removed until I have permission to post
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Kel Rekuta
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Philip the Bold. died 1404 Musee des-Beaux Arts, Dijon Burgundy. Photo by Matt Easton
Do you have the rest of the series? Matt took them off line a while ago.
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Mackenzie Cosens
Location: Vancouver Canada Joined: 08 Aug 2007
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| Kel Rekuta wrote: | Philip the Bold. died 1404 Musee des-Beaux Arts, Dijon Burgundy. Photo by Matt Easton
Do you have the rest of the series? Matt took them off line a while ago. |
Thank you for identifying the photographer and the subject. I do not think I have all of them. I have a gleamed collection of images which I wish I had done a better job in documenting. : )
If Mr Easton has taken the images off line then I will try and remove this image until I get an OK to post.
Mackenzie
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Kel Rekuta
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| Mackenzie Cosens wrote: | | Kel Rekuta wrote: | Philip the Bold. died 1404 Musee des-Beaux Arts, Dijon Burgundy. Photo by Matt Easton
Do you have the rest of the series? Matt took them off line a while ago. |
Thank you for identifying the photographer and the subject. I do not think I have all of them. I have a gleamed collection of images which I wish I had done a better job in documenting. : )
If Mr Easton has taken the images off line then I will try and remove this image until I get an OK to post.
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Oh, I doubt Matt has any problem with them being out there. I think he lost interest in paying for the bandwidth for so many hits on his photo gallery. It was a remarkable resource but it had served its purpose. By all means ask his permission though! I think there were five or six in the series including a better shot of the whole bascinet.
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Mackenzie Cosens
Location: Vancouver Canada Joined: 08 Aug 2007
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Mr Easton was very generous and seem to have no problem with me posting. So here are a few images showing the padding and a top down shot of the bascinet.
To my eye the padding of the aventail is quite thick.
mackenzie
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Fabrice Cognot
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It is quite thick indeed - too bad the effigies will remain out of public sight for the next two years.
I lectured about them nearly 4 years ago now, and several pics of the inside of this bascinet were included in the article I wrote for the publication that was supposed to follow the conference....and of which I have no news.
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