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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jan, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the practical insight, Christopher!
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jan, 2011 10:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A belt-and-thong arrangement is about the only way I can explain this suspension (ca. 1515), assuming it's accurately depicted by the artist.


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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jan, 2011 10:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

as for the katzbalger suspension, have you considered tablet-woven bands?
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jan, 2011 11:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Anders Kramer wrote:
as for the katzbalger suspension, have you considered tablet-woven bands?


I know of at least one example of a (partially) tablet woven suspension for a much earlier Spanish scabbard, so it is technically feasible for this period. I tend to associate tablet weave with thicker materials than would account for the way these suspensions bunch and roll and appear when knotted, which is what led me to the idea of a scarf or thin sash. Textiles are far out of my knowledge, though, so I think it's worth exploring.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jan, 2011 11:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Anders Kramer wrote:
as for the katzbalger suspension, have you considered tablet-woven bands?


I know of at least one example of a narrow woven suspension for a much earlier Spanish scabbard, so it is technically feasible for this period ( http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...ght=tablet ). I tend to associate tablet weave with thicker materials than would account for the way these suspensions bunch and roll and appear when knotted, which is what led me to the idea of a scarf or thin sash. I don't see how Sancho's Galloon belt could behave that way. Textiles are far out of my knowledge, though, so I think it's worth exploring.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jan, 2011 12:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i think it makes sense with the silk sash, and you're right about the thickness of tablet weaving. However, I have seen very thin reconstructions made from silk, form the viking period (which is about 700-1066 here in Denmark). Hhey would behave almost as a sash if wide enough.
But, since the depictions show no pattern in the suspension-material, it probably is just one thin long piece of silk fabric.
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PostPosted: Sat 08 Jan, 2011 12:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Two more images, the first is by Niklaus Manuel Deutsch and gives a view of the knotwork


The second is a photo of a modern reconstruction using cord


With regard to the use of fabric I've made decent use of linen when wearing a borrowed katzbalger which had a scabbard but no suspension. Fastend with knots and wound around the scabbard it allowed me to carry the katzbalger in something very close to the 'horizontal' fashion seen in images. Particularly when tied tightly to the breastplate it stayed in place and I had little problem with drawing it when needed.

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