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Henry Russell
Location: Buckinghamshire, UK Joined: 29 Dec 2010
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 Posted: Wed 29 Dec, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: Early medieval/Norman crossbows? |
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I was wondering if anyone had information on these early crossbows, particularly 1080 or earlier. I plan on starting an anglo-viking/Norman kit, and a crossbow would be fantastic.
Any pictures of archaeological finds, documents or modern reproductions would be great too!
Thanks
'Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injures - for heavy ones they cannot.'
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Nick Esposito
Location: Northern Virgina, US Joined: 11 Dec 2010
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Christian G. Cameron
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastraphetes
I couldn't resist. Alexander had specialty crossbowmen; the Hellenistic Greeks developed both automatic repeaters and very heavy types by 280BC.
Sorry. probably not what you wanted....
Christian G. Cameron
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Scott Woodruff
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I can not find my references right now, but I did read once that the cross-bow was reintroduced to Europe via Scandinavia in the 9th-10th centuries. The Scandinavians adopted its use as a hunting tool from hunter-gatherers living in sub-arctic taiga-lands to the east. Some Chinese experts believe that the cross-bow was introduced into China from this same source thousands of years earlier. So while the cross-bow has an ancient history of widespread use as a hunting tool, it is only modified for military use when just the right military and socio-economic environment are present, such as ancient China, late 11th-12th C Europe or to a lesser extent Hellenistic Greece. I know this is all just hearsay without references, I promise I am not pulling your leg. Just because crossbows are not mentioned as weapons of war does not mean they don't exist. Look at the history of the bow in Europe. It mostly (with some exceptions) fell out of military use from the early bronze age until the middle ages, but never fell completely out of use as a hunting weapon, biding it's time until it could dominate the battle-field again. Oh yeah, you wanted a description of early crossbows. They usually have a rather large, heavy, all-wood bow, a simple, skinny stock and a notch and pin trigger system operated by a long lever lashed to a hole in the stock. I too kind of want to build one of these early crossbows for viking reenactment.
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Henry Russell
Location: Buckinghamshire, UK Joined: 29 Dec 2010
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Thanks Nick, that past thread is very useful!
And yes, I know about hellenistic and chinese crossbow, very interesting, especially the ground cockign arbalests and repeaters.
'Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injures - for heavy ones they cannot.'
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Lafayette C Curtis
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| Christian G. Cameron wrote: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastraphetes
I couldn't resist. Alexander had specialty crossbowmen; the Hellenistic Greeks developed both automatic repeaters and very heavy types by 280BC. |
All these Macedonian and Hellenistic crossbows appear to have been siege weapons; accounts of their use, even in the rare occasions when they appeared in field battles, indicated that they had to be emplaced in a manner more consistent with light artillery pieces than personal missile weapons.
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Nick Esposito
Location: Northern Virgina, US Joined: 11 Dec 2010
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This is a standard topic
