[Allen Foster]

I spent the day wearing my hodge podge crusader kit. It included:

Used hauberk (round ring riveted) of unknown mfg.

Brass Spangenhelm from Mercinary's Tailor

Transitional heater shield by Mercinary's Tailor

Albion Arn sword with DBK Integral belt and scabbard

Spear of unknown Origin

Leather Surcoat from Raven's wood Leather

everything worked out fine except the hauberk was so heavy that I thought I was going to pull a muscle in my back. It felt like 50 lbs. At the end of the day, I was outright exhausted.

My question is "How much should a hauberk weigh? I have a hauberk that is either too heavy or I've gotten seriously out of shape.

[Nathan Beal]

Following weights are all from mail in the Wallace Colelction

A1 (Late C14th, short sleeved, 74cm long) - 4.5 Kg
A2 (2nd Q C15th, short sleeved, 71cm long) - 8.8 Kg
A3 (1st H C15th, long sleeved, 69cm long) - 9.0Kg
A4 (mid C15th, sleeveless, 71cm long) - 6Kg
A5 (mid C15th, sleeveless and incomplete, 72cm long) - 9.0Kg
A6 (late C15th, long sleeved, 71cm long) - 7.5Kg
A7 (C16th, long sleeved, 64cm long) - 8Kg

A17/18 (footed stockings, victorian-ish re-working of earlier mail) 6.4Kg

I don't have the oriental catalogue, there are shirts in there that that run a longer (most of these are as long a modern XL T-Shirt)

HTH
N.

[Jojo Zerach]

A lot of historic mail exhibits a fair ammount of metal loss through wear on the rings, though as a rule, it was lighter then modern butted mail.
The heaviest mail shirt I've heard of was around 30 pounds (13 kg) in it's current state, I believe it's at Stirling castle.
Historic Enterprises historically accurate haubergeon weighs around 13 pounds (6 kg) in medium size, which is well within with the weights listed above.
http://historicenterprises.com/haubergeon-wed...th=101_141

[Iagoba Ferreira]

Were you wearing any padded garment under it? Even a very thin one increases the confort a lot. Also, if the head hole is too large, all the weight is concentrated in a small part of your outer shoulders: passing a leather cord through the rings of the edge, and thightening and knotting it once you have the mail on, will increase the area of the shoulders that have weight on. And of course, wear a good belt over it: this way a part of the weight goes to the hips, instead to the shoulders.

[Felix R.]

The leather cord is agood idea. Maybe this was a way to get the maille tight besides some tailoring. When one has a look at the detailed listings of maille shirst tailoring it is only a few rings here and there, that do help, but won´t give the tight fit seen in artwork.

[Sean Manning]

[Jean Thibodeau]

Not historical, but of historically correct size rings for the smaller sized ring maille shirts I have seen pics of: I have a stainless welded mail haubergeon with sleeves reaching a bit past the elbows and ending mid thigh in XXL that weighs in at 8 pounds.

I could be wrong but a lot of modern made maille tends to the thicker wire bigger ring end of the historical size of ring spectrum and may be heavier than most maille in period by 30% ( Just an estimate ).

When modern makers started to made riveted maille they continued to use the same wire gauge and ring sizes that needed to be used with butter maille so that their riveted maille may be heavier than need or was needed with period maille.

Riveted need not be that heavy in gauge to be effective and using larger rings in modern maille is partly to save on the number of rings needed to make a hauberk as I assume that when using the larger numbers of smaller rings is takes more time to make the maille and increases the costs ? This would make using smaller diameter and denser maille more expensive today, but in period the priorities would have been how protective it could be rather than cost/time savings.

You can see it in the pic, the welded maille on the left ( me ), large ring butted maille in comparison on the right ( my friend ).

[Jojo Zerach]