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Ron Luciano
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 Posted: Sun 22 Aug, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject: The Turkish Kilij in the 18th Century |
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I am interested in gathering information on the Turkish Kilij as it developed during the 17th and 18th century. During the 18th an early 19th century the Kilij gained great popularity with Western Armies and Navies. I would appreciate any pictures, web links, books, or swordplay manuals pertaining to the Kilij during this time period. Below is a picture of and link to a Kilij used by an English Naval Officer in the early 19th century. Thanks for your help!
Best regards,
Ron
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/CollectionsDetail.cfm?ID=WPN1164
I have not tarried in long journeys over the surface of the sea, nor have I feared the threats of enemies or wild beasts, O strong leader, Maurice, go well good friend; I discern through such sweetness, the beauties of the country life, a safe return and nobility. Lift high the wine vessel. Such things are worthy of remembrance.
HMS ADVICE 1705
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Thomas McDonald
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Hi Ron
Interesting study ..... I find these blades facinating also !
( * P.S. I finally got the disks made for you, & Vince , so expect them soon! )
Here are 3 shots of that ribbon-hilted Kilij blade that is at Culloden ! Mac
'Gott Bewahr Die Oprechte Schotten'
XX ANDRIA XX FARARA XX
Mac's PictureTrail
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Patrick Kelly
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I'd like to hear more about these as well. This has always been one of my favorite middle eastern designs.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Alex McCracken
Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 03 Sep 2003
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Hi Mac,
Looking at your pictures I see there are other items in the display
that it's part of, including what looks to be a deathmask. Can you
tell us who owned it, and it's history? It certainly is a unique weapon.
Alex
Pray, n:. To ask that the laws of the universe be
annulled in behalf of a single petitioner
confessedly unworthy.
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
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Nate C.
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Trust Mac to come up with a basket hilted kilij  . I don't know why but I'm get a basket hilt obsession vibe from the guy  . Interesting swords though.
Nate C.
Sapere Aude
"If you are going to kill the man, at least give him a decent salute." - A. Blansitt
If they ever come up with a Swashbuckling School, I think one of the courses should be Laughing, then Jumping Off Something. --Jack Handy
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Russ Mitchell
Location: Irving, TX Joined: 01 Mar 2004
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It makes perfect sense given the large numbers of Scottish mercenaries fighting against the Turks in Transylvania...
10,000 lemmings can't be wrong.
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Thomas McDonald
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| Alex McCracken wrote: | Hi Mac,
Looking at your pictures I see there are other items in the display
that it's part of, including what looks to be a deathmask. Can you
tell us who owned it, and it's history? It certainly is a unique weapon.
Alex |
Hi Captain Alex
One of my big regrets at Culloden was the fact that I did not have time to read, let alone write down, what I'd seen !
I spent all of the brief 30-40 minutes we had there taking pictures (hoping my camera would not be confiscated ;-), talking with the staff, and just being generally blown away at what I was seeing !
Beyond the easily recognized "famous" pieces, I was fortunate to get some account on many of the others thanks to Vince & Grace Evans ( they keep good notes ;-)
I don't recall if Vince had any detailed information on that kilij bladed ribbon , or the death mask for that matter, but I will ask him next time we talk ! * I seem to remember him saying something about the Kilij blade possibly being Balkan, according to Phil Tom ( who was with him there), but again I will have to ask him !
Alba gu brath, Mac
'Gott Bewahr Die Oprechte Schotten'
XX ANDRIA XX FARARA XX
Mac's PictureTrail
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Ron Luciano
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Hello to all!
Patrick, I will be happy to share all the information I acquire!
Thanks for the pictures Mac! I am VERY glad you got shots of that sword, I too was rushed at Culloden and did not have time to even study it. Can't wait for the disk of your trip. It's nice to branch off into another area of study. Give me a call when you can.
Best regards,
Ron
I have not tarried in long journeys over the surface of the sea, nor have I feared the threats of enemies or wild beasts, O strong leader, Maurice, go well good friend; I discern through such sweetness, the beauties of the country life, a safe return and nobility. Lift high the wine vessel. Such things are worthy of remembrance.
HMS ADVICE 1705
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