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Michael S. Rivet
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 Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: Plates woven into mail |
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Some indeterminate time ago, someone posted a picture of an antique shirt of maille that had plates woven into it. The plates were, if I recall, oriented vertically and had holes in their edges through which the rings of the maille were closed. I seem to remember there were four such plates on the front of the shirt and they covered both chest and abdomen.
Unfortunately, that's about all I remember except that I was really fascinated by the piece and wanted to learn more about it. I either failed to save the picture or lost it somewhere. Likewise with any accompanying information. None of my searches have yielded anything thus far.
So I'm putting out an APB. Is there anyone out there with a better memory than I and a kindly heart who might point me in the direction of this piece or something similar?
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Jean Thibodeau
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Mixed small plates and maille where popular in middle Eastern armour and where also used by the Japanese in somewhat different styles.
The medieval Russians also used maille and plate as they where influenced by their neigbours and enemies' armours and fighting style: Persians, Mongols, Indian/Indo-Persian and various nomadic tribes.
On page 23 of this Topic there is a good example of the style:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...;start=660
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Romulus Stoica
Location: Hunedoara, Transylvania, Romania Joined: 26 Oct 2006
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Eric S
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| Posted: Sun 06 Jun, 2010 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Plates woven into mail |
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| Michael S. Rivet wrote: | Some indeterminate time ago, someone posted a picture of an antique shirt of maille that had plates woven into it. The plates were, if I recall, oriented vertically and had holes in their edges through which the rings of the maille were closed. I seem to remember there were four such plates on the front of the shirt and they covered both chest and abdomen.
Unfortunately, that's about all I remember except that I was really fascinated by the piece and wanted to learn more about it. I either failed to save the picture or lost it somewhere. Likewise with any accompanying information. None of my searches have yielded anything thus far.
So I'm putting out an APB. Is there anyone out there with a better memory than I and a kindly heart who might point me in the direction of this piece or something similar? |
Here is a Japanese (samurai) version of what you described   and a Middle Eastern or Indian version  
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Carl Goff
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I think Hisham Gaballa is our resident expert on that style. Go through his post history, and you might be able to turn up what you're looking for.
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Hisham Gaballa
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You are describing mail and plate armour, which was used in the Middle-East, Russia, Iran and India from the late 14th to the early 18th centuries.
The plates came in various sizes and combinations. Four large square plates at the front sounds like Mughul-style mail and plate armour which was used in India from the 16th to the early 18th century.
These occasionally come up for sale on the Oriental Arms website:
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=473
And on Hermann Historica:
http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/hhm59...at59_a.txt
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This is a standard topic
