[Adam D. Kent-Isaac]

Does anyone know of, or have pictures of, any etched or engraved armours of the Renaissance featuring Masonic symbols? I would think, out of all the countless decorated armours, there have got to be a few. Many thanks in advance for any pics or information.

[Craig Johnson]

Hi Adam

There is a pretty impressive piece in the Met a breastplate with all sorts of symbols on it.

Best
Craig

[GG Osborne]

If the common mythology of Freemason origins are accepted - at least those publically promulgated by the Grand Lodge of England - you would be hard pressed to find any armor marked with Masonic symbols except by accident. The common understanding is that Masons only became organized and began using the symbols we see today (the square, compass, and level) until very early in the 18th Century. While guilds of masons undoubtedly existed during the Gothic and Renassiance periods, the speculative form that appealed to the upper class in England (as opposed to operative masons who were actually stonemasons) didn't appear until quite late. I believe any marks that could be interpreted as Masonic on armor are purely coincidental.

[Glen A Cleeton]

Well, some armor may last into the first century socially accepted as truly (Free) Masonic. Arms are an easier study of such at a compass and squares. I keep losing track of this picture of a rather dandy colichmarde described by another viewer as

[Adam D. Kent-Isaac]

Yes, swords count too, just not swords designed specifically for the Masons. Thanks for that pic.

What inspired me to ask this question was when I read that Thomas Sackville was a Freemason, being made a Grand Master in 1561. Sackville's Greenwich armour can be seen on this site, actually, as well as in person at the Wallace collection or my photo set of it. 1561 was like the peak of armour decoration, and I would think that if there were Freemasons among the aristocracy in England at that time, it would be surprising if there wasn't some armour decorated to reflect that.

[David McElrea]

I would take the Wikipedia article with a grain of salt...

[Adam D. Kent-Isaac]

Googling Thomas Sackville Freemason brings up quite a bit of stuff; this article from Freemasonry Today suggests that "non-operative Freemasonry in England was in existence from late Elizabethan times." Maybe 1561 is a bit early, though there could have been exceptions. It's conceivable that one aristocrat may have had ties to a stonemason's guild and therefore to Masonic rituals in some form - and later, even after the reign of Elizabeth, they were still richly decorating armour.

[Glen A Cleeton]

Yes, there are a good many texts and references to Sackville and even much earlier timelines. The Takver link in my last post was an early look by me in searching out some Odd Fellow stuff and grew to a larger interest in reading through some of the texts available through that site. Newton's The Builders is another great read and more older studies are available online every day.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/bui/index.htm

Back to the other link, it was where I had read of Edward III buying into the linen armourers guild. It was exactly that type of connection and guild ownership/patronage that eventually emerges publicly as the modern society more widely known by the 18th century.

As to decoration of armour, there are a great number of opportunities to study them but many I have seen up close (pictorial and at the Higgins) seem less iconic than what might be apparent. I look forward to others that can share such displays and descriptions.

Cheers

GC

[Glen A Cleeton]

Here is that British yeoman cavalry type sabre from right around the 1800 period +-. I am forgetting the family name exactly but it was big in Edinburgh during that period. the name may come to my mind again if I shake it enough. This was one that got away while I was saving for funds. Another reason to not advertise what one is waiting for. I hope these show up ok. they should zoom alright. An interesting piece I would have researched more for.

Cheers

GC

[GG Osborne]

As far as the last post of the sword is concerned, there was a special type of sword called a "Mourning Sword." Best example I know of without research is the one owned by Washington and preserved at Mt. Vernon. These very plain swords often had "memento mori" engraved on the blades. The sword pistured above has some interesting engraving but none are classically Masonic.

[Glen A Cleeton]

[Adam D. Kent-Isaac]

Wow - thanks for all this info and pics! Excellent finds.