1821/1822 Cavalry saber identification -- myArmoury.com

Olivier L-Beaulieu

I would want to have some informations about my new sword. I know that it is a 1821/1822 pattern cavalry trooper's sword. On the blade and the guard, it has the maker's name: WL&H Sargant. Who is this maker and when was he in business? The seller told me that it could date from late 1830. I would want to have information about the date of the maufacture and who is this maker.

Any information?

http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/576958288CREKju

Thom R. · Posted: Mon 08 Mar, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject:

In Bezdek William Lucas and Henry Sargent are listed as being in business in London in 1838-57 on 2 Coleman St and in Birmingham at 74 and 75 Edmund Street 1835-1851. They appear to have changed their trade name a few times. Sargant & Son (1835-37), W.L. & H Sargant (1838-39), Sargant Bros (1840-1851)

There is an interesting note in Bezdek that states that in 1839 the consulate in London purchased 600 brass hilted British model 1821 cavalry sabers from W.L. & H. Sargant and sent them to the US Ordnance Department

that looks like a nice sword!

Olivier L-Beaulieu · Posted: Wed 10 Mar, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the information. It is interesting to know that my sword dates from 1838 or 1839. Unfortunately, I don't know the history of my sword, so I don't know for sure if this is an import.

Olivier L-Beaulieu · Posted: Wed 10 Mar, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject:

I have another question:

On the blade, I see a black line. Could it be a "fold" from the forge of the blade?

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2269324920102058556yQoNpo

Also, do we know how shiny the sword were? This sword is near mirror polish. I also have a 1850 infantry officer sword that it is near mirror polish. For the last sword, I think it could be the original finish, but I cannot prove that.

Anybody has information about the polishing of the blades in the 19th century?

Jeffrey Mallia · Posted: Fri 12 Mar, 2010 9:50 am Post subject:

Hi there whilst I myself do not know anything per se of your sword, I have started a similar topic on this forum as I also have a similar sword which I cannot identify. If it is at all possible for you can you please tell me whether your sword is disassemblable or not. Also if it is, does it have a rat tail or a full tang? I am asking these questions in order to fathom out whether swords of this period did have the same properties of the one I have or not and thus figure out if mine is either an original or else a copy. Thanks and its a really nice sword you got there.

Olivier L-Beaulieu · Posted: Fri 12 Mar, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject:

My sword is not disassemblable. It is riveted. All the 19th century sword I have heard about are riveted at the pommel. I only have one evidence of "screwed" pommel in the 15th century. But, this is another story...

Jeffrey Mallia · Posted: Fri 12 Mar, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject:

Thank you. This sheds some light on my sword version too.