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Julian Arellano
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 Posted: Tue 26 Jan, 2010 3:28 pm Post subject: Question about short sword |
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hello to everyone! ..
I just want to know , what kind of sword is carried by this knight ? ... it's a Kasten-brust breastplate, but am not sure if is some kind of messer, sword , dagger, or...
well.... any idea ? 
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Artis Aboltins
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Hmm I am sure there are more knowledgable people than I am on this subject, but looks like some variation of falchion to me.
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Julian Arellano
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Yeap Artis... am a little bit confused too ... seems like a short falchion .. but am not sure , because if you see the picture there's no cross-guard and sadly is the only decent picture I could get to show you
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M. Eversberg II
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I'd guess it's nothing in particular. If the "exotic" clothing on the left-hand figure is anything to go by, the right-hand figure is supposed to represent something foreign.
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Greg Coffman
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My guess is it is in the same family of German knives as the messer, but perhaps not a messer. Where does the picture come from? Somewhere online? I'm always interested in finding more sources for historical artwork.
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
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Samuel Bena
Location: Slovakia Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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As mentioned earlier the origin and dating of the piece could prove useful; my bet is that it represents a local (European) take on the oriental-Turkish sabre. We have a quantum of such examples back here in Slovakia. I am assuming that since the author wasn't extremely familiar with sabre designs he just drew an oriental looking messer/falchion (called tesák/tasak in Slavic regions btw).
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Julian Arellano
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Hi Greg ... this picture comes from Konrad Witz , german /swiss painter
http://www.abcgallery.com/W/witz/witz.html
This picture was a representation of a biblical chapter ... because the name of the picture is " Abraham in front of Melchisedek" and there are many others like this..
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Stephane Rabier
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| Julian Arellano wrote: | | This picture was a representation of a biblical chapter ... because the name of the picture is " Abraham in front of Melchisedek" and there are many others like this.. |
Hi,
so I also think the weapon is just supposed to be "something oriental" as often seen in biblical scenes.
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Sa'ar Nudel
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It appears to be a late medieval hunting knife, though of larger scale. Note the absent of guard, the bird's head pommel and (maybe) smaller knife/tool in front.
Curator of Beit Ussishkin, regional nature & history museum, Upper Galilee.
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This is a standard topic