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Did "pirates" of the 17th - 18th centuries carry sabers as a side arm?
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Troy G L Williams




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PostPosted: Wed 09 Sep, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject: Pirates!         Reply with quote

Since International Talk Like a Pirate Day is quickly approaching I thought we might change our centuries up a bit. Now we all know that people typically think of "pirates" as the 17th to 18th century portrayals, commonly, but what about the viking era? There are many early pirates and even some pirates of recent. So let us see YOUR pirate! Cool


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PostPosted: Wed 09 Sep, 2009 11:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Pirates carried all kinds of swords, there was no standard issue. They certainly used hangers which are a variation of a saber.
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Are the majority of hangers shorter than an average sabre? Sorry, spelled "sabre" wrong initially. Oops. Another question would be the rapier. It seems the rapier would not be the weapon of choice because of the length. There is not a lot of room on a ship for combat with a rapier or a similar sword, correct? Question
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2009 5:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Saber should only be sabre if rapier is going to be rapire.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2009 5:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

We tend to think of pirates as being scruffy ruffians on the fringes of society, but there were also privateers, pillaging the merchant ships of the enemy, who were part of the nobility. One excellent example (who is very relevant to this website) is George Clifford, 3rd Earl of Cumberland. He was famed for his exploits in the Carribean, wreaking havoc on Spanish shipping and briefly capturing the fort at San Juan, Puerto Rico. You can call him a privateer, buccaneer or pirate, but the man had class:



He was appointed Queen's Champion after the retirement of Sir Henry Lee, and his Greenwich armour survives today as one of the finest examples of English garniture in existence.



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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2009 5:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

M. Eversberg II wrote:
Saber should only be sabre if rapier is going to be rapire.

Well in French it's "sabre" and "rapière" for what is worth...

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabre it may be spelled either way. So, nobody is wrong. Big Grin

It is true that in the early days pirates (privateers) were authorized to conduct raids and attacks by their governing country. If I remember correctly politics created the actual act of piracy that forced privateers to do business for themselves to keep to what they knew best. Correct me if I am wrong.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2009 6:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Troy G L Williams wrote:
Are the majority of hangers shorter than an average sabre? Sorry, spelled "sabre" wrong initially. Oops. Another question would be the rapier. It seems the rapier would not be the weapon of choice because of the length. There is not a lot of room on a ship for combat with a rapier or a similar sword, correct? Question

I've read that a lot of pirates- even the ones that were not privateers- aspired to be "gentlemen of fortune", so it's not implausible that they would sometimes wear a rapier along with other fine items. Especially on shore, when they could show off the wealth they'd taken to attract potential recruits and women.
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Thanks Dan, that does seem very plausible. Most sailors aboard ship in those days would not wear socks and shoes so they could get a better grip on deck and so on, from what I have read. I would imagine that once on shore they may actually wear shoes and their finest attire, depending upon their station of course.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2009 9:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Troy G L Williams wrote:
Thanks Dan, that does seem very plausible. Most sailors aboard ship in those days would not wear socks and shoes so they could get a better grip on deck and so on, from what I have read. I would imagine that once on shore they may actually wear shoes and their finest attire, depending upon their station of course.


But then there are always the officer types or rich successful pirates or a pirate with a military or noble background trained in the use of the " rapière " ( in French ).

Some pirate privateers where in fact in charge of more than one ship and have a virtual fleet of ships at their disposal. ( Closer to mercenary captain of the sea rather than a poor sailor turned pirate ).

I think captain Morgan would qualify: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgan

Classic pirate film worth seeing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan_(film)

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