Example of Broad one handler type XVIII -- myArmoury.com

Julien M

Hi all,

Looking for examples (pictures) of one handed type XVIII with very broad and hollow ground blades. I can find some type XVIIIc with that kind of geometry, but can't think of any one handed ones. Pics would be most welcome (museum or period art).

Cheers,

J

M. Eversberg II · Posted: Wed 13 May, 2009 8:19 am Post subject:

Very broad and hollow ground is rare I think; I believe that the more slender blades lean towards the hollow grind while the broader ones are almost all diamond.

Not sure if this one from the Musée de l'Armée in Paris counts, as it might not be 'very' broad. I'm pretty sure it's hollow ground.

M.

Julien M · Posted: Wed 13 May, 2009 8:57 am Post subject:

Thanks for the pic M., but not broad enough for my taste! Happy

Allen W · Posted: Wed 13 May, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject:

Check out Records XVIII.1, .6, and .13. I consider short , wide, and hollow ground to be standard for the type.

M. Eversberg II · Posted: Wed 13 May, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject:

Not sure what I did wrong; I used the image tags and a direct link to the image.

M.

Dan Dickinson · Industry Professional

This thread has some nice pictures by Gordon Clark of one currently exhibited in the Frazier:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...highlight=
I love these short, broad little hollow-grounds too!
Dan

Julien M · Posted: Thu 14 May, 2009 3:51 am Post subject:

Hi Dan,

That's spot on (overall shape and lines is exactly what I meant). With the one already in Oakeshott's records of the medieval sword that's two! I wonder if those feature just a very strong central ridge or an actual hollow ground blade (the one from records seems to (on the left below). That's sometimes hard to figure out from pictures only.

So very similar hilts and pommel so far. If any of you have encountered different hilts mountings, don't hesitate to let me know (this will very likely my first custom sword order once I settle on a design). I plan to commission Mark Vickers for this as I briefly inspected Matt (Easton) type XVIIIc longsword and the hollow ground blade was amongst the best I've seen on a replica (save maybe for Peter Johnson's own prototype of the swante).

Cheers,

J

ps: "I consider short , wide, and hollow ground to be standard for the type." Well I have seen dozen's of one handed sword with slender blades of this type, but very few wide ones so far.

Jean Thibodeau · Posted: Thu 14 May, 2009 9:56 am Post subject:

Not a period photo but this one by A & A seems like the right type ?
http://www.arms-n-armor.com/sword188.html

Roger Hooper · Posted: Thu 14 May, 2009 11:03 am Post subject:

Here is a photo of some of the Castillon swords. A few of them are what you are looking for. The one on the far left looks like it is the same sword pictured in one of the previous posts.

Roger Hooper · Posted: Thu 14 May, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject:

Here is a sword I found at Hermann Historica - first half of 15th century, about 37inches overall length. The pommel looks very like the one on the "Henry V sword."

Glen A Cleeton · Posted: Thu 14 May, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject:

Here is A&As Edward III blade in their Duke of Urbino mounts. Not really a hollow grind but it is wide, for a single hander. It is a broad handful.

Cheers

GC

Julien M · Posted: Tue 19 May, 2009 4:57 am Post subject:

Thanks a lot Roger, great pictures.

so Cross type 8 and J.1 pommels, for all of them....it appears to be very little variation for that particular blade shape.

I was kind of hopping some different design would come up (fishtail pommels and such)

Cheers,

J

Chad Arnow · myArmoury Team

Here's another one of similar form to the Castillon examples, but dated to c. 1380. It's the sword of Pierre de Cros (according to the heraldry and title on the pommel).

Julien M · Posted: Fri 03 Jul, 2009 6:52 am Post subject:

Spendid sword Chad, keep them coming! Happy

Zach Gordon · Posted: Fri 03 Jul, 2009 7:16 am Post subject:

Here's one in Higgins, MRL used to make a copy of it. The grip on that sword Roger posted looks just like how Albion does it!!!! I always thought albion had just kind of come up with that.

Julien M · Posted: Fri 03 Jul, 2009 7:20 am Post subject:

That's a nice sword too Zach, but a type XIV from what I can see on the picture.

Chad Arnow · myArmoury Team

Here's another Castillon sword, from a Sotheby's catalogue of December 2003.

Zach Gordon · Posted: Sat 11 Jul, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject:

Oh sorry, it probably is what you say I'm not to good at the different types, I just thought you were interested in shortish one handers with very broad blades. My bad.
Oh I think I remember another one that may have been an xvii I don't remember it very well it was by windlass/MRL and called the duke of arbedo sword... I'll look for a pic of the original.
Z Happy

Nathan Robinson · myArmoury Admin

Perhaps not what you're looking for but I love it so I'm sharing these photos of it.

Royal Armouries, Leeds
IX.3683
Possibly English, mid 15th century
Reported to have been found in the River Dordogne near Castillon la Bataille

Julien M · Posted: Thu 16 Jul, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: