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Maurizio D'Angelo
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| Jean Thibodeau wrote: |
Probably feels as useless as the old expression " pushing a rope " ! One would have trouble getting a feel for the thing moving with no sense of blade presence and no authority in a cut and little feedback in tracking with the point in a thrust.
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"pushing a rope."
This makes it very well the idea of the concept. Will keep this statement in a place of my mind. 
Maurizio
added later:
know that my post is above. In reality it is next to one written by Jean.
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Maurizio D'Angelo
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| Posted: Tue 02 Jun, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Roger Hooper wrote: |
Maurizio, are your friends reenactors using reanactment swords? That type often has little or no distal taper with thick rounded edges to give it more durabilty. To bring the weight back towards the guard, a heavier pommel is then added, resulting in a very short POB. |
yes Roger,
I saw on their swords of very large pommel. Very bad.
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Maurizio D'Angelo
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| Posted: Tue 02 Jun, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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It is not always so, indeed perhaps the first section under the guard is very profil taper. The first 50-100 mm.
See this picture and see Albion Triton
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Tue 02 Jun, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Vincent Le Chevalier wrote: | | [It will not make the blades any more handy, probably quite the contrary because the inertia you struggle against to make the sword move is completely unrelated to the static feel. |
Probably feels as useless as the old expression " pushing a rope " ! One would have trouble getting a feel for the thing moving with no sense of blade presence and no authority in a cut and little feedback in tracking with the point in a thrust.
( Just an opinion ).
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Vincent Le Chevalier
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| Neil Langley wrote: | | I know very little about rapiers, but I am a little surprised at how short the hilt measurements are in this article if they are inclusive of the hilt beyond the cross. Have I got this right, do these 'hilt length' figures include the finger rings etc., and if so - are rapier hilts normally this short? |
Well indeed I had not noted that these hilt measurements were so short... Inches are not intuitive for me  It's strange because the text seems to indicate that they are taken to 'the end of the swept hilt where the free rapier blade starts'. You're right that it would be more plausible if they were only including the hilt up to the cross...
Anyway, the point still holds. The point of balance on these is not into the guard, and probably not even inside the swept hilt.
Regards,
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Vincent
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Bram Verbeek
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| Vincent Le Chevalier wrote: | | Bram Verbeek wrote: | | Diviccaro Roberto wrote: |
1) single hand sword: POB into the guard. |
I wholeheartedly disagree on the POB in the guard with any sword before a rapier. |
Even rapiers are not balanced into the guard. If you look at these measurements:
http://www.musketeer.org/Garrick/Blade_spec_article.html
and work the numbers a bit, you'll find that the point of balance is always at least three inches into the blade from the end of the hilt (and on rapiers this is not the cross), up to almost six inches...
A CoG into the guard is a sign of a much too heavy pommel on single handers. Heck even sport fencing foils are not balanced like that... It will not make the blades any more handy, probably quite the contrary because the inertia you struggle against to make the sword move is completely unrelated to the static feel. |
I left out the rapiers just because I do not know anything about them, I did not want to be proven wrong on the whole point because there was a subgroub that might not submit to it. I could have worded it a lot better.
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Vincent Le Chevalier
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| Bram Verbeek wrote: | | I left out the rapiers just because I do not know anything about them, I did not want to be proven wrong on the whole point because there was a subgroub that might not submit to it. I could have worded it a lot better. |
To be honest I thought that it might have been the reason, but I wanted to clarify that anyway and try to prevent others from getting false ideas about rapiers...
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Vincent
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