Fourth Crusade Melee Event - NYC/Long Island area -- myArmoury.com

Bill Tsafa

The following event is being hosted by Medieval Scenarios and Recreations, Ltd. (MSR). The MSR is not part of the SCA but similar. Their events are open to SCA fighters and new comers. To participate in combat you must meet the armor requirements. Given that the MSR is a smaller, local based group, they can be more flexible. We are expecting a minimum participation of 200 people.

Here is what one of the organizers had to say about the event.

Colt Reeves · Posted: Mon 27 Apr, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject:

That sounds awesome. From what I've heard of most other "battles", this one will be far more... interesting. I'd like to be a part of one of these things, but have no gear and can't really justify going all the way up to NY to get whacked with blunt objects. Maybe one day...

Chuck Russell · Posted: Tue 28 Apr, 2009 3:40 am Post subject:

aug, i don't think i even have a kit for that time frame. looks fun and would love to make it but alas i can not. i'll fwd the info around to some friends. have fun!

Bill Tsafa · Posted: Tue 28 Apr, 2009 6:37 am Post subject:

Bill Tsafa · Posted: Mon 25 May, 2009 6:39 am Post subject:

The event is happening this coming Saturday. Here is a link that includes scenario details and map of the area we will be fighting over.

http://www.kingdomofacre.org/events/4th_crusade/

Bruno Giordan · Posted: Tue 26 May, 2009 1:12 am Post subject:

This battle will indeed go for five hours with no holds (meaning no water breaks --each side will have water at its base camp).

Wow what about actually torturing the prisoners as a further leap into realism ... I won't be there for sure (other continent, fortunately) but I guess that five hours fight under the sun without water could result in some dehydration problem for some including a risk for collapses and similar problems.

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Bill Tsafa · Posted: Tue 26 May, 2009 6:46 am Post subject:

No one can fight for 5 hours straight. Especially in the heat. The whole point is that commanders have to take this into account and rotate the troops. Commanders must determine the physical capabilities of their troops and stay within those limits. Taking up defensive positions is more desirable in this situation because you don't have to move as much. At the same time, you need to achieve your goals in order to win. What is required is strategic attacks.

The site is about 216 acres. From the looks of the map we will be fighting on about 50 acres. We expect a lot of young, strong fighters but also many who are in there 50's and a few in their 60's. No one will be forced do more then they can. The attacks are expected to go out in waves, with rests in between. If someone does not feel up to it, they can take a defensive position back at base or even go to a non-combat area where they can take off their helmet and sit down.

Bill Tsafa · Posted: Sun 31 May, 2009 7:38 am Post subject:

The battle ran from 2:30 to 7:30. This was so exhausting and so much fun. It was a test of ones own personal will to go on. It was the most advanced fighting scenario I have experienced to date. I was on the Crusader side.

There were a total of four possible entrances into the city. The setup naturally favored the defenders. One entrance had an actual wooden gate built with a wooden beam placed on the inside to keep it shut. The crusaders had an real battering ram to break the door open. They had to push it from their base to the door. It was the kind that hangs inside a frame and you swing like a pendulum. The Byzantines could attack the battering ram and bring it out of service by removing a flag on it. The flag would then have to taken to a resurrection point and brought back to the ram to bring it back into service. There were many beams available, in the event that the crusaders got through but were later killed. The door could be resealed and needed to be rammed open again.

One of the other possible entrances into the city was a haybale wall that required a siege tower to get over. The siege tower had to be carried over to the designated wall so that crusaders could enter the city. The siege tower had its own flag. The defenders could render the tower out of service buy removing the flag. The flag would then need to be taken to a resurrection point and brought back to the tower to bring it back into service.

Another point of entry was a narrow staircase along a wall that had murder holes. This proved to be too much of a death trap and the crusaders did not make too much effort to gain access through here.

The other point of entry was a medium size gate that the Byzantines controlled. Crusaders could only attack when the Byzantines opened the door. Once the crusaders manged to gain control of it, they could jam the door so it could not be closed with haybales. All the haybales would have to be removed in order for the Byzantines to be able to close it again.

The were a number of points inside the city that needed to be controlled for victory point. There was also treasure inside the city that needed to be controlled for additional victory points.

The Byzantines carried the day.

Nathan M Wuorio · Posted: Sun 31 May, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject:

That sounds like a ton of fun, I wish I could have been there. Is it held every year? Can people under 18 participate? Are there any special requirements for armour and weapons? I'd love to be a Crusader.

Chuck Russell · Posted: Sun 31 May, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject:

any photos of your event? I bet it was a blast. sorry I couldn't make it.

Bill Tsafa · Posted: Mon 01 Jun, 2009 6:27 am Post subject:

Nathan, good news! You can play with the big boys in the MSR if you are 16 and over. Your parents sign the waiver if you are under 18.

Here are the MSR Rules that include age info (near the top and underlined).

http://kingdomofacre.org/rules_of_list.html

Chuck, I did not take any pictures because I was busy fighting all day, but I am sure many were taken and will be made public. I will post links to them as soon as I get them.

Nathan M Wuorio · Posted: Mon 01 Jun, 2009 10:32 am Post subject:

Alright, perfect! I'll see if I can go next year or perhaps the year after that. I'll need to get a good kit first....

Bill Tsafa · Posted: Thu 04 Jun, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject:

I have not received too many pictures. I'm a little disappointed in that. I am guessing that everyone was busy fighting to take pictures. I think there might have been an issue with a difficulty in taking pictures since the battlefield covered a large area and it was not allowed for non-combatants to be walking around the field out of armor. Especially since there were also rubber arrows in the air.

There was about 200 people that participated. It is hard to see the scale since they are spread out all over the field guarding and attacking different points.

These are some pictures someone took at one of the gates to the city. Entry was up a narrow staircase which had murder-holes. This entry point proved too difficult as was abandoned.

The entry point is at the far end. You have to get through a line of spears first. It is easy to see how a small force can defend against a much larger one because of the strategic strength of this point.

This is one of the gates that we could attack with a battering ram and break open. That body of water behind is the Long Island Sound.

This was the site of another gate. This gate was one of the largest, most accessible ones. The Byzantines had the option of keeping it closed. Only they could open it. Once they opened it, we had the option of jamming it open. Strategically speaking, they should have never opened it... but they got cocky and wanted to mount attacks against up from this open position. Once they opened it and we jammed it open, it became a focal point of the battle. At times there were almost 50 people fighting at this one gate.

This is an area leading up to one of the high walls. The high walls were only accessible via a siege tower. These people are preparing for an attack via the siege tower.

This is a strategic resurrection point just outside the walls of the city. When we get killed, we walk back to this point to resurrect. That is me in there with the big shiny shield catching my breath and some water. The enemy has the option of attacking this point and taking down the flag. That means that we would have to walk all the way back to home base in order to resurrect. If the flag was taken down, it could be taken to another resurrection point and returned in order to gain back the forward resurrection point into service.

The people who planed out this event did an amazing job.

Bill Tsafa · Posted: Tue 09 Jun, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject:

Someone sent me some more pictures. I finally got some pictures of the battering ram.

Too bad no pictures of the ram in action.

Here are some more skirmishes outside the walls.

That is me in blue and black with red belt holding the center.

An attack wave going out.

Steven H · Posted: Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:26 am Post subject:

Thanks for sharing. That looks pretty incredible.

One day, I'll be there.

Cheers,
Steven

Bill Tsafa · Posted: Fri 12 Jun, 2009 10:55 am Post subject:

I look forward to having you on the field with us Steve.