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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Interest in "hardcover" of Oakeshott's Records?         Reply with quote

Hey folks,
As many people know, Oakeshott's Records of the Medieval Sword is a great book. Many of us have also seen Boydell's paperback versions of this title fall apart. The Boydell hardcover is great, but hard to find and very expensive (the cheapest copy I can find right now on the net is $278).

I've often thought that it might be good to take a paperback version and have it rebound as a hardcover. That should eliminate the durability issues, and while not a cheap alternative, should be much less than $278. Happy

Is there interest in this route? I want to meet with a local bookbinder about shoring up a different old book of mine and if there is serious interest in this, I can try to get a price quote on rebinding Records. My guess is that it will be in the $100-125 range for book and binding plus shipping.

Let me know if this interests you and I'll see what I can pull together.

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Mar, 2009 2:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's a great idea! It might also be good for just about everything printed by Laureate Press (though in that case buying replacements is still the most cost-effective option).

I'd be very interested in exploring this option, should it prove viable. Thanks! Big Grin

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr, 2009 7:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I might be interested as well, if the cost came in at low triple-digits. The only foreseeable problem that some might have is actual sourcing of the book itself, as I presume it would require having a copy in possession, first?
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I might be interested in this as my second copy is starting to fall apart faster then the first did. Who bound these? I guess on the bright side it means we're well studied. Really though you'd think they'd last longer. I'm almost afraid to open it as half the pages are falling out.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In this scenario, I would source the books, have them bound and send them out. I think it would be too much remembering who sent me which copy and keeping that straight when the binder has the book.... So I don't know if it's feasible taking copies people already own and having them rebound.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
In this scenario, I would source the books, have them bound and send them out. I think it would be too much remembering who sent me which copy and keeping that straight when the binder has the book.... So I don't know if it's feasible taking copies people already own and having them rebound.


Another problem would be that everyone would be sending you a book that was in the process of coming apart - messy, with missing or misplaced pages.

My paperback copy has unbound pages. I wonder, does anyone have a paperback copy of this book that is still intact? If you've just bought it or never looked at it, it's probably OK, but otherwise...?
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
In this scenario, I would source the books, have them bound and send them out. I think it would be too much remembering who sent me which copy and keeping that straight when the binder has the book.... So I don't know if it's feasible taking copies people already own and having them rebound.


I would be quite interested.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr, 2009 2:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

From what I have heard about the soft cover coming apart it interests me. Not that I am looking for a copy or anything. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Apr, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
In this scenario, I would source the books, have them bound and send them out.

Even I would be able to make room in my budget for something like this, at the cost you're hoping for. Definitely interested.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Apr, 2009 7:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sounds like there is some interest. Happy My plan is to meet with the binder this week and see what the cost would be to rebind the book. If the cost is good, then I'll confirm people's commitment, and then try to find someone that actually has copies is stock (I'm open to suggestions, but the vendors I checked seem to be out of stock right now), order the book and get going.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Apr, 2009 12:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You're probably doing this already, but make sure you shop around when it comes to bookbinders.

I've been looking into something similar (got an old novel by L. Sprague de Camp that's falling apart, few remaining hardcovers are ludicrously expensive), and the quotes I got to have that small paperback rebound ranged anywhere from $20 to $100.

In short, there's a lot of people out there looking to gouge you. Be careful.

P.S. It's exceedingly rare (it's only ever happened to two books in my extensive library), but hardcovers can still have durability issues, if it's a particularly well-loved or often-consulted book. Take that into account.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Apr, 2009 2:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Sounds like there is some interest. Happy My plan is to meet with the binder this week and see what the cost would be to rebind the book. If the cost is good, then I'll confirm people's commitment, and then try to find someone that actually has copies is stock (I'm open to suggestions, but the vendors I checked seem to be out of stock right now), order the book and get going.


I've been trying to find a decent copy of this book myself so I had a look at the publisher's site. It would appear that the book is out of stock there too. But, the site seems to suggerst that the next print run is at the end of April.

http://www.boydell.co.uk/51155669.HTM

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Apr, 2009 2:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

David Sutton wrote:
I've been trying to find a decent copy of this book myself so I had a look at the publisher's site. It would appear that the book is out of stock there too. But, the site seems to suggerst that the next print run is at the end of April.

http://www.boydell.co.uk/51155669.HTM


Been there, done that, signed up to be notified when it's available from Boydell (and Amazon). Happy

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Apr, 2009 2:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Carl Goff wrote:
You're probably doing this already, but make sure you shop around when it comes to bookbinders.

P.S. It's exceedingly rare (it's only ever happened to two books in my extensive library), but hardcovers can still have durability issues, if it's a particularly well-loved or often-consulted book. Take that into account.


Of course. I don't think anyone is expecting indestructibility. Happy Just less destructibility than the paperback. I hoped to have a paperback version to show the binder, but I haven't been able to get one yet. I'll show him the hardcover I have and some other Boydell paperbacks to give him an idea.

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Apr, 2009 12:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I met with a binder today and got a good feeling. He's confident there won't be the durability issues of the paperback. They take the book apart, sew in a new binding, and make the new cover with lettering on the cover and spine.

I'm buying a used copy and will have it rebound as a test. If it all looks good, I'll buy some copies when they're back in stock, have them bound and put them up for sale. $125 looks like the price (no more than that), plus shipping.

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Apr, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
$125 looks like the price (no more than that).


That's so much less than the price of any hardcover copies of the book that become available on the used market!

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Apr, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
That's so much less than the price of any hardcover copies of the book that become available on the used market!


I can't believe how expensive they've gotten.

This idea was a result of one of those "there has to be a better way" moments...

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Apr, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The test copy is being rebound as we speak. I did discover that they charge extra ($12 per copy) for stamping the title on the front page, though. Unless people want to pay the extra $12, I probably will leave that out of the other copies.

The spine will have the author and title on it, though.

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2009 11:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'd be interested in getting a copy done this way. I don't think the extra $12 for the front cover is necessary, but I'd pay it if folks wanted to standardize on that.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Apr, 2009 4:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is a good price, considering that the projected price is roughly equal to what decent copies of the cloth bound were fetching about ten years ago.

Another alternative would be a three hole punch and reinforments, then a ring binder. That method would suit anyone using a scanner or photo for a presentation.

I try to keep my cloth bound covered and clean but have thought of getting a shop copy of a paperback. A completely laminated three ring would be great for a shop copy but in the end probably as expensive as the proposal Chad mentions.

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