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Sean Flynt
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 Posted: Tue 21 Apr, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: Mail Standard (Wallace Collection A9) |
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Mail-makers: What can you tell me about the construction of this late 15th c. European standard? Is that a different ring size for the collar, or just a denser weave (e.g., six-in-one vs. four-in-one for the mantle)? What else do you see here in terms of techniques? I've read a bit about mail making here and elsewhere, so I'm not completely in the dark on the theory. What about practice? Is something like this a challenge more of will or skill?
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-Sean
Author of the Little Hammer novel
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Artis Aboltins
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Looks like a smaller rings to me - weave appears to be the same four-in-one in both cases, but more detailed image would be preferred to tell for certain. As for techniques - looks like symmetrical sides joined in the middle, square parts on shoulders and triangular sections for the rest of it.
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Martijn Wijnhoven
Location: The Netherlands Joined: 20 Aug 2008
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Erik D. Schmid investigated this item and describes its construction in the first issue of the Journal of the Mail Research Society (2003 Link Details from Articles of Mail in the Wallace Collection; pp. 12-14).
Five different types of links are used; the collar is composed of very fine links that they are completely fixed and unable rotate. This is still the 4-in-1 pattern though.
Cheers,
Martijn
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Dan Howard
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One of Erik's closeups of the collar. Get the journal from Erik. The first is just as good as the second.
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Steven H
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| Martijn Wijnhoven wrote: | Five different types of links are used; the collar is composed of very fine links that they are completely fixed and unable rotate. This is still the 4-in-1 pattern though.
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I'm correct in understanding that you mean links so small that they can't rotate. But otherwise normal construction. If so that's amazing!
Thanks,
Steven
Kunstbruder - Boston area Historical Combat Study
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Dan Howard
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look at the photo. it is clear that the links can't rotate. it is actually easier to do this with riveted links than butted links.
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Nathan Robinson
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Martijn Wijnhoven
Location: The Netherlands Joined: 20 Aug 2008
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| Steven H wrote: | | Martijn Wijnhoven wrote: | Five different types of links are used; the collar is composed of very fine links that they are completely fixed and unable rotate. This is still the 4-in-1 pattern though.
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I'm correct in understanding that you mean links so small that they can't rotate. But otherwise normal construction. If so that's amazing! |
That is more or less correct. It is rather the ratio between the size of the lap to the inner diameter of the ring.
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They face outwards.
Cheers,
Martijn
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Sean Flynt
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This is a standard topic