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Michael Edelson
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 Posted: Thu 25 Sep, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: Original "Tritonia" |
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Hi all,
If anyone has any images or any additional information about this sword that cannot be found on Albion's site, I would really apprecaite you sharing it/them.
Also, any information about similar swords or features (particularly the pommel) would be great.
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Kjell Magnusson
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| Posted: Mon 29 Sep, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Here's a pair of pictures I took of the original.
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Dan Dickinson
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Thanks Kjell,
Is it just me or does the pommel appear to perhaps be hollow?
Thanks,
Dan
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Kjell Magnusson
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I don't recall noticing anything such at the museum, so I think it's massive, but I'm not entirely certain.
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Nathan Robinson
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| Dan Dickinson wrote: | | Is it just me or does the pommel appear to perhaps be hollow? |
The big "dent" in the pommel may make it appear so in the photo, but it isn't hollow. Peter Johnsson was fortunate enough to document this sword in great detail while visiting the museum. He noted its properties carefully and has done his best to create a very close replica in Albion's Museum Line version.
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Michael Edelson
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| Posted: Mon 29 Sep, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Kjell!
Has that sword suffered additional damage or has the cross just shifted out of place in that photo?
New York Historical Fencing Association
www.newyorklongsword.com
Byakkokan Dojo
http://newyorkbattodo.com/
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Dan Dickinson
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Michael, I believe that the cross has not only shifted, but is missing much of one arm.
Nathan, has Peter then confirmed that the pommel of the original and replica are not hollow?
(just wondering as nothing I've seen about the original or replica on the Albion website excludes them from being hollow....and there certainly were hollow pommels, though it being Iron would seem to lessen the chance)
Thanks,
Dan
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Nathan Robinson
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| Dan Dickinson wrote: | | Nathan, has Peter then confirmed that the pommel of the original and replica are not hollow? |
When I visited Albion years ago, I asked if the sword's pommel was hollow and was told it is not. It would not work well with the rest of the mass of the sword. At the time, it's the first sword replica I had seen with such a pommel. I've since noted other historical examples, but as far as I can tell, surviving samples are not well-documented or not common.
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Dan Dickinson
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| Posted: Mon 29 Sep, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Nathan, that helps a lot. I've seen a few other spheroid pommels and several of them were hollow in order not to overbalance the sword but they were bronze which is heavier than iron.
Thanks,
Dan
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Craig Peters
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Michael,
There are a couple of photos in this thread: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...t=claymore of a claymore with a spherical pommel like the one seen on the Tritonia. It's hard to tell from the first photo, but if you look in the second, you can see the spherical shape.
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