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R. Scott Malone
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 Posted: Sat 30 Aug, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: Favorite Cut and Thrust |
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Hey,
What is your favorite cut and thrust sword? The school I'm going to check out this weekend has 18 week longsword program and then they move to cut and thrust with buckler or dagger.
Really looking forward to all of it, but esp. The cut and thrust with dagger.
So what cut and thrust sword do you think has the best handling characteristics?
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Robert Tienken
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There are a number of great single hand cut and thrust swords, but my favorite is Albion's Kingmaker because it is so beautifully balanced.
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Bram Verbeek
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The best cut and thrust in my opinion is a XVI or XVIa, with the Albion Crecy as a prime example.
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B. Fulton
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I have several favorites...... the schiavona being one of them. 
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R. Scott Malone
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Love the Kingmaker, I was looking at that, the Knight and the Poitiers pretty hard on their site.
Thanks for the link to the schiavona, hadn't seen that before, beautiful hilts.
Looking at the Crecy, made me wonder, so cut and thrust isn't so much defined by single hand, as it is blade type?
So would both the Kern and Gallowglass be considered cut and thrust?
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Nathan Keysor
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I have the Kingmaker and the Sovereign. I love both but I would probably give the edge to the Sovereign for cutting and the Kingmaker for maneuverability. I assume we are talking about single hand swords here.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
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Bram Verbeek
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I was a little hasty it seems. My point for the XVI stands, but the crecy, being an XVIa is a longsword. The Squire is a single hander.
Cut and thrust I thought is because of a dual design that has a strong thrusting tip and a good cutting cross-section. The XVI is an attempt to make this happen, as is the XIV. The XV is not really very much of a compromise, it focuses on thrusting, and while cutting is far from impossible, it simply is not the focus of the weapon
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Jeremiah Swanger
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Of all the Cut-&-Thrust single-handers I've ever handled, I would have to say that my personal favorite would be the Castellan by Albion Armorers. Its little sister, the Poitiers, is definitely the fastest, and "handiest," but the Castellan has a little more reach, and the benefit of a roomier grip, allowing for longsword technique if the occassion calls for it. All in all, an extraordinarily-versatile sword.
"Rhaegar fought nobly.
Rhaegar fought valiantly.
Rhaegar fought honorably.
And Rhaegar died."
- G.R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire
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Glen A Cleeton
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| Quote: | | Looking at the Crecy, made me wonder, so cut and thrust isn't so much defined by single hand, as it is blade type? |
Context in regard to a place in time might change perspective as well. What period/school of sword and buckler/dagger work is being taught? Most swords mentioned so far is best placed in a XVth century time frame, wereas I'm getting the impression you are looking at learning a later form of oswrd and bucjler/dagger. The folk you work with will probably have the best definition and suggestions for you as to what you need.
For a versatile later period single hand C&T, my favorites would fall into the 34"-37" blade length fairly narrow and pointy range. Actually more thrust oriented than the swords mentioned thus far and likely encorporating a single hand grip and a simple compound hilt.
Cheers
GC
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R. Scott Malone
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| Posted: Sun 31 Aug, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I just had my first class with the Rocky Mountain Swordplay Guild which is an offshoot of Chicago Swordplay Guild.
They use Fiore dei Liberi's work as their core cirriculum.
Today being my first class, and not knowing anything about anything about WMA, I can't tell you much except that it
VAS UBER FUN!!!
SO I guess at some point I'll want to get an Albion longsword, probably the Gallowglass, and a good cut and thrust sword so I can do some cutting practice. That, and because there is a deep need in my soul that can now only be fulfilled with shining steel. LOL
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R Siggs
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| Posted: Sun 31 Aug, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| R. Scott Malone wrote: | Well, I just had my first class with the Rocky Mountain Swordplay Guild which is an offshoot of Chicago Swordplay Guild.
They use Fiore dei Liberi's work as their core cirriculum.
Today being my first class, and not knowing anything about anything about WMA, I can't tell you much except that it
VAS UBER FUN!!!
SO I guess at some point I'll want to get an Albion longsword, probably the Gallowglass, and a good cut and thrust sword so I can do some cutting practice. That, and because there is a deep need in my soul that can now only be fulfilled with shining steel. LOL |
Hey Scott, glad you had a good time!
As for the Albions- you really can't go wrong. The weapon you were using today during class was an Albion Meyer. Albion's are our preferred training weapons here (although I'm much more partial to the Liechtenauer that the Scholars purchased and customised as a gift for me).
To answer your original question, my personal favorite Cut and Thrust, single handed sword is going to be either my custom DelTin (that you handled today) or a Solingen from Albion (Several of us use the I.33 model from Albion for single handed trainers as well). But truly, my favourite is whichever sword ends up in my hand when needed- that's part of the point of training with all the different blades we have.
Also, don't blow the bank just yet- a bunch of us have weapons available for cutting practice, and as you saw we've got plenty of SwordFodder to cut up!
See ya later this week!
Roger Siggs
Rocky Mountain Swordplay Guild
http://thespartans.us
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Richard Hare
Location: Alberta, canada Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Posts: 135
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My favourite is Vlad's "Italian sword"....as it's the only one I have!!
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Jason Daub
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I'm quite partial to A&A's Knightly Riding Sword, here http://www.arms-n-armor.com/sword036.html
'I saw young Harry, -with his bevor on,
His cuisses on his thighs, gallantly arm'd,-
Rise from the ground like feather'd Mercury,
And vaulted with such ease into his seat,
As if an angel dropp'd down from the clouds,
To turn and wind a fiery Pegasus,
And witch the world with noble horsemanship.'
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William Goodwin
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my Armour Class mortuary.........
Roanoke Sword Guilde
roanokeswordguilde@live.com
"I was born for this" - Joan of Arc
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