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Nathan Robinson
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Since we're diverging into related topics of conversation, I'm attaching some photos of the Henry VIII armour from the Tower of London that I took a few years ago.
Photo quality isn't great, but the conditions at the Tower (reflective glass, low light, etc) are tough.
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Nathan Robinson
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| Posted: Wed 30 Jul, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Does this armour from the Tower interest you?
If so, I have other photos I took while visiting London.
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Armour, English, Greenwich, circa 1560
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Armour, English, Greenwich, circa 1560
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Russ Thomas
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| Posted: Wed 30 Jul, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Hi Nathan,
Many thanks for the great pictures. I have not yet seen the display in The Tower, as I haven't been there since the mid '90's and before the move to Leeds. So the pictures of the armour , and the current display are doubly welcome!
Indeed, the picture of the so called 'North' armour is certainly of interest to me!  I must admit, that possibly because it is so different from the other extant Greenwich armours, I have always tended, when in The Tower, to pass this armour by and look at the Leicester and Worcester armours instead. Consequently, this and perhaps the armour of Robert de la Marck, Maréchal de Fleuranges ( now in Paris ), are probably the two Greenwich armours that I know the least about structurally. So any pictures would be most welcome  Many thanks.
Regards,
Russ
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Nathan Robinson
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| Posted: Wed 30 Jul, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Here you go:
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Armour, English, Greenwich, circa 1560 #1
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Russ Thomas
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| Posted: Wed 30 Jul, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Nathan, they are great!
I am always happy ,and eager, to get any new information or images of Greenwich armour for my portfolio
It is actually quite sweet isn't it. I cannot believe that I have never really taken a good look at it when I have been in the Tower. I will certainly rectify that next time I am there !
The only thing that spoils it is the awful pose that it is in. There seems to be a school of thought about displaying Greenwich armour as if the arms are broken at the shoulder, and in this case he has got both legs broken at the hip too. Beautiful armour, but so badly displayed... ... I cannot believe that they have allowed it to be displayed like that, and in the Royal Armouries of all places! What a pity.
Thanks again Nathan.................got anything else ?? 
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Russ
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Marc G
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| Posted: Wed 30 Jul, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hey All
Thank you all for your advice, tips and photos.
I didnt currently have Techniques of Medieval Armour Reproduction but have just ordered the book.
I didn't see the armour and arms of Henry viii book at the Tower of London either. The day I was there they had run out of all English copies of the basic information brouchure so I didn't spend too long in the shops there. I will get one of my family in the UK to have a look and see if they can send it to me.
Sorry only have time for a quick reply now as my break at work is running out....
So thanks again.
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Marc
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Nathan Robinson
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Marc G
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| Posted: Thu 31 Jul, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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In regards to the helm of the armour at the Tower of London, is it in a similar vain to that shown as the 1520 helm from the met. Does it follow the same basic design with a change of appearance for the visor or is it vastly different.
Does anyone have a good profile shot of the side of the helm at all, I know my own photos don't have it (I didn't think of it at the time) and it will also be a very difficult one to get.
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Marc
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Russ Thomas
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| Posted: Thu 31 Jul, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thankyou for those extra pictures of II.8. Nathan. All the others that I have from that exhibition show it with the visor open, personally, I much prefer it with the visor closed. Great pictures.
Marc,
The helmet shown from the armour in New York is an armet, the one shown on the Tower harness is a close helmet and quite a bit different. I will try and post a picture of the two helmets a little later on. Incidentally, the New York harness, which was probably made for Henry, and is dated 1527, is of far better quality, and some authorities that I have spoken with about have expressed the opinion that it is perhaps the finest harness in the world!
Regards,
Russ
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Russ Thomas
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| Posted: Thu 31 Jul, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Here are a couple of pictures of the helmet from II.8
The Helmet is shown with an extra tilt visor, and also with its usual visor, but here unfortunately, the collar plates where it probably rotated on the gorget are missing.
Regards,
Russ
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Nathan Robinson
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| Posted: Fri 01 Aug, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Russ Thomas wrote: | | ncidentally, the New York harness, which was probably made for Henry, and is dated 1527, is of far better quality, and some authorities that I have spoken with about have expressed the opinion that it is perhaps the finest harness in the world! |
I will post some additional photos of that harness as well. I find it interesting that it's displayed at The Met with a "face" in the helm, if I'm remembering correctly...
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Russ Thomas
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| Posted: Fri 01 Aug, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Nathan Robinson wrote: | | I find it interesting that it's displayed at The Met with a "face" in the helm, if I'm remembering correctly... |
Not that I have ever heard of, but the armour (II.8) at The Tower was displayed with the visor open, and with John Nost's famous carving of the face of Henry VIII inside. That said, any pictures of this fabulous harness would be greatly appreciated!
I am sure that New York is a fabulous city to visit, but I am equally certain that it would be well worth the trip just to see this one harness! That and the fact that you have several other fabulous Greenwich armours displayed there
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Russ
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Russ Thomas
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Marc,
Here is a couple of pictures, courtesy of Thoog, that show the 'Genouilhac' headpiece quite nicely. As you can see it is quite different from the helmet on the 1540 harness.
Isn't the armour absolutely stunning though !  It is no wonder that some regard this as the finest ,existing, harness!
Regards,
Russ
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Lawrence Parramore
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Looks to have a lot in common with Henry VIII's 1520 foot combat armour at Leeds.
Excepting the helmet of course.
Lawrence
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Marc G
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Hi All
Thank you once again for all the replies and for the great pictures. The pics of the helm are really good and will help alot with establishing what I will be able to do at all...
Does anyone know of any available plans for making this harness or a harness similar to this. It is differnent to the armour I have previously worked on and would provide a good reference point to start from.
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Marc
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Russ Thomas
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| Posted: Mon 04 Aug, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Lawrence Parramore wrote: | Looks to have a lot in common with Henry VIII's 1520 foot combat armour at Leeds.
Excepting the helmet of course.
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Lawrence,
There are some general similarities, but it really has much more in common with the 1540 harness. The downward lapping lames of the tassets are in common with the 1540 harness, as are the removable outer section of the couters. The shape and form of the pauldrons are the same generally with all three armours, as are, or were, the assymetrical, removable, haute pieces. The infill lames of the couters are the same too, as in general is the form of the overlapping gorget. However, these are mostly in common with the 1540 armour as well; as is the cup like protection covering the bottom of the couter on the lower cannon of the vambrace. I am not at present certain about the turning joint on the upper cannons of the 1540 armour, but the 1520 and the 'Genouilhac' are quite different. The 1540 harness and the 'Genouilhac' harness also share the only known ventral plates known to be extant. And the plate between the breastplate and the fauld is very similar on the 'Genouilhac' armour and the 1540 harness too.
The similarity between the 1540 and the 'Genouilhac' armours is also very well shown when looking at the manifer, including the rondelles, or at least the placement of them !
The exact working dates of Martyn van Royne (who made the 1520 armour), are not, at present, known. However, 'Old Martyn' is known to have worked alongside Erasmus Kyrkenar for some years; perhaps as a consultant, so there are bound to be similarities between the two armours. Under who's direction it ( the 'Genouilhac' armour ) was made is at present impossible to say , but my feeling though is that it was under the direction of van Royne, who died in 1553.
Anyway, I don't really mind who actually made any of them, I love all of them !
Regards,
Russ
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| Posted: Mon 04 Aug, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Marc G,
I have the molds for the 1520 taken from the original but this would be an expensive way of working up patterns for what you want maybe!
Lawrence
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Mon 04 Aug, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Here are some more pics of the Met harness.
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Russ Thomas
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| Posted: Mon 04 Aug, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Beautiful pictures Chad, particularly the last one. Do you by any chance have any that approximate the actual colour of the gilding ? I have never actually seen this harness, but I have many pictures of it, but they often have quite different ideas of the colour ! I would be interested in seeing what colour it actually is.
Lovely close up, did you take the picture yourself?
Thankyou very much anyway !
Regards,
Russ
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