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B. Fulton
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Posted: Tue 10 Jun, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: Norman blades |
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I am an SCA member and my chosen period of time is Norman England/1st Crusade (basically 1100-1150ish), a crusader in the first generation or second of the kingdom of Jerusalem, returned home to England.
I know the basic early wheel and brazil nut pommel blades are approximately "correct" for swords. I like Albions however $500+ is a little steep at the moment. Can you recommend any $350-500ish blades that will sustain cutting for real (i.e not a wallhanger)?
Also, a current-production replica dagger that would be appropriate/correct. I've looked at one from Arms & Armor and I like it, and I know their work is good, but I'd like to see other options (Would Normans carry a seax?).
Anyone who knows more than I do about period clothing for Normans, feel free to chime in. I've gotten ideas from the Bayeux tapestry when I saw it, and various other books and things, but other than the tunic/undertunic....... trousers? Braes and chausses? Winningas? Which for when and why?
Anyone who can help.....thank you!
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Roger Hooper
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Posted: Tue 10 Jun, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Take a look at this Angus Trim type X sword over at Christian Fletcher's website - http://www.christianfletcher.com/Christian_Fl...lders.html - It may not be as absolutely period accurate as an Albion, but it sure can cut. Look at the Valiant swords on the same site as well.
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B. Fulton
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Posted: Tue 10 Jun, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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The Valiant Castile package looks quite interesting. I've handled one similar to that at Del Tin's shop and the balance was quite good, though I think the Valiant would probably be a better cutting blade.
For a basic "starter blade" the Practical Arming sword looks decent though I don't know if it's quite correct for the time period as the picture's not the biggest. Thanks for the link though, I hadn't looked at Fletcher's site in a long time.
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Dan Dickinson
Industry Professional
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Posted: Tue 10 Jun, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Well, I would say that you could make a good case for using a sharpened version of Albion's Squireline Knightly.
Type XII blade-forms were around during your time period and there is nothing about the hilt furniture that would exclude it from being that early either. Also, when a little customization is done to it, it is a very nice sword (and a rock solid Albion) inside your price-range.
For example here is a Knightly that I recently customized to next-gen specs.
Dan
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B. Fulton
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Posted: Tue 10 Jun, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: |
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The Squires were one of the first blades I looked at.
I was just curious what everyone else thought was worthy that's "out there".
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Brandon Minton
Location: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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Jared Smith
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Posted: Tue 10 Jun, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Patrick Kelly has a good article about Normans and their gear on the Albion web site. It's worth the brief read.
http://www.albion-swords.com/articles/norman.htm
Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence!
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B. Fulton
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Posted: Wed 11 Jun, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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I went to Dover castle on my big Massive Musem post trip. There is a church there built by the Normans and in use, continously, as a troop church (for the military) essentially from it's construction around 1100 until now (still in use).
Kind of an awesome feeling to kneel and pray and know just how many generations of grunts have done the same thing in the same place. Reminded me of Jerusalem a little bit.
Thanks for the links. I know the generalities and the "look" and have several Norman books but they always cover the invasion of England etc but not the little stuff (dress and appearance) for most of it.
Anyone have dagger/beltknife ideas?
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G Ezell
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Location: North Alabama Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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Posted: Wed 11 Jun, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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B. Fulton wrote: |
Anyone have dagger/beltknife ideas? |
I'm picturing a big single-edged seax, not sure if the Normans had them or not, but I'd expect them to have them... Likely type I or II, maybe a III. II would be the most likely i'd think, given their origins. Something of a utility blade that could be pressed into combat if necessary, similar to a big puuko but sheathed differently.
I've been trying to find any examples of knife-sized double-edged blades from this period, they seem to have been extremely rare if they even existed. Single-edged, with very little if any metal in the hilt.
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James Barker
Location: Ashburn VA Joined: 20 Apr 2005
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Posted: Thu 12 Jun, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Norman blades |
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B. Fulton wrote: | Anyone who knows more than I do about period clothing for Normans, feel free to chime in. I've gotten ideas from the Bayeux tapestry when I saw it, and various other books and things, but other than the tunic/undertunic....... trousers? Braes and chausses? Winningas? Which for when and why? |
Most cultures had switched to hosen by the time of the conquest; likely even the Saxon's had them at Hastings. I have a PDF with research on my clothing I wore at the Battle of Hastings in 2006: http://www.historiclife.com/pdf/BattleofHasting.pdf
B. Fulton wrote: | Anyone have dagger/beltknife ideas? |
The Museum of London book Knives and Scabbards has examples of seax type blades and whitle tang knives through the 12th century.
James Barker
Historic Life http://www.historiclife.com/index.html
Archer in La Belle Compagnie http://www.labelle.org/
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B. Fulton
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Posted: Thu 12 Jun, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Most of the sax type blades I saw at the Museum of London appeared to be earlier than that, but they probably have a lot more in storage than on display!
I could handle a smaller seax, though the Arms & Armor Aunlaz and Crusader daggers have really caught my eye.
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B. Fulton
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Posted: Fri 13 Jun, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Any other opinions?
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