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A. Jake Storey II · Posted: Wed 04 Jun, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: Unarmed

I know that there was unarmed combat systems in Europe, but I was wondering where I could find more info on it. I know it's probably going to be part of a sword manual, I'm just wanting too know which ones too look for.

Max von Bargen · Posted: Wed 04 Jun, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject:

I'm pretty sure the Codex Wallerstein (sp?) has a section on unarmed combat. Talhoffer's 1467 Fechtbuch does as well. I'm sure there are more, but those are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.

Max

Jonathan Eells · Posted: Wed 04 Jun, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: Aquilitas.tv

I've got the "Wrestling for Squires and Pages" DVD from Aquilitas.tv and it's really quite good. Give them a look.

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Hugh Knight · Posted: Wed 04 Jun, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject:

Here is a book I've written on medieval grappling and dagger combat out of armor (I wrote another one on grappling and dagger in armor, but I assume you're not looking for that):

http://www.lulu.com/content/2077141

You can download an excerpt of the book relating to a special subset of grappling techniques called the "Three Wrestlings" here:

http://therionarms.com/articles/index.shtml

This material is taken from Talhoffer, Ringeck (well, Ringeck's book--it's probably Ott and others), von Danzig, Codex Wallerstein, and other sources.

Mick Czerep · Posted: Wed 04 Jun, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject:

I wholeheartedly recommend DVD Bill Grandy linked a clip of. The group is absolutely top notch, their hard work, research and martial expertise are second to none.

Christopher H · Posted: Thu 05 Jun, 2008 5:08 am Post subject:

As implied earlier, many of the dagger techniques apply well to unarmed... I am constantly excited about seeing things in the western manuals I have seen in eastern martial arts!

J F. McBrayer · Posted: Thu 05 Jun, 2008 9:04 am Post subject:

Fiore dei Liberi 1409, Wrestling & Dagger/ Ringen & Dolch, by Colin Richards, is a very good book on exactly what the title says. You can see more at the Arts of Mars Books website.

Sean Manning · Posted: Thu 05 Jun, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject:

I'll second Fiore dei Lieberi. He chooses to start teaching his knightly combat style with unarmed combat, moving through sidearms (dagger, longsword) to armoured combat with battlefield weapons (longsword, spear, pollaxe). You can find versions of his treatise online (a group called the Exiles has one, and AEMMA another).

Edit: See here http://www.the-exiles.org/FioreProject/Project.htm

Jonathan Eells · Posted: Thu 05 Jun, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Aquilitas definitely thinks so

I'm pretty well trained in the grappling bits and other forms of wrestling, fighting, and unarmed combat, and the Aquilitas.tv disc about Squires and Pages definitely smacks of genuine medieval European fighting. There's nothing in it that looks like farted up Judo or Greco-Roman in forest green breeches.

J F. McBrayer · Posted: Fri 06 Jun, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: