Is it a russian sabre or a late chinese one? -- myArmoury.com

Morgan Butler

I want to know if this sword is russian or chinese. And if it is communist.

Morgan Butler · Posted: Fri 18 Apr, 2008 10:33 am Post subject:

Here is another pic

Kerim Mamedov · Posted: Fri 18 Apr, 2008 10:50 am Post subject:

There are arab numbers on a blade and handle:
blade - 3 5 2 9
handle - 2 7 5(?) 8

This alfabet is in use in all muslim countries, not only arab ones.

A'm not sure about model of saber, second half of 19 c. in my guess.
However it is not russian, nore a chinese, so, most probabely, no way to be "communist".

Russ Thomas · Industry Professional

Hi Morgan,

Well it appears to be a Russian shashka. I am afraid I cannot remember the pattern. But , the numbers appear to be in Arabic ( anybody read Arabic that can confirm or shoot that idea down in flames Worried

), and the ring is on the back. I do not recall seeing a Russian sword with this type of mounting. They are usually carried edge upwards , so the ring is on the edge side of the scabbard.
Well, that should help to confuse things a bit WTF?!

Sorry !

Russ Happy

Russ Thomas · Industry Professional

Thankyou Kerim, by the time I had posted my post you had in the meantime already replied! Happy

I think it dates a little later than you suggest,ca. 1890-1900. Most of these swords do not have the full knuckle bow, though many of the officers ones do, but the grips and pommel are exactly the same. But in any event, I would suggest pre communist era.

Regards,

Russ

Morgan Butler · Posted: Fri 18 Apr, 2008 11:31 am Post subject:

Hmm maybe it is from baku or somewhere in the middle east that russia had influence.

Terry Crain · Posted: Fri 18 Apr, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject:

Hi I actually have this sword as well. My recollection is that it is modeled on a Russian sword made for the Iranian (persian) military and that the script on them is often Farsi (SP?) and is assembly numbering. For example, my blade and metal scabbard have the same symbols/numbers on them, similar to matching number on the well known Japanese trooper's saber used from the late 1800's through WWII. I believe there is the exact same saber which is a russian military sword (cavalry trooper sword?), yours, due to the script, is the one made for the Persian/Iranian military. I think they were actually made in Russia for export, but I may be mistaken. The actual russian sword on which it is based is much more valuable or at least expensive as well. You see a number of these up on e-bay from time to time.

Well, that's my off of the top recollection. Hope I am not too far off. Someone please correct any inaccuracies I may have inadvertantly posited.

Cheers,

Terry

Sa'ar Nudel · Posted: Sat 19 Apr, 2008 6:28 am Post subject:

Hisham Gaballa · Posted: Sat 19 Apr, 2008 7:10 am Post subject:

So it's actually Iranian?

Sa'ar Nudel · Posted: Sat 19 Apr, 2008 7:44 am Post subject:

Kerim Mamedov · Posted: Sat 19 Apr, 2008 7:54 am Post subject:

well, at this point, looks like russian manufacture odered by iran

Sa'ar, why do you call numbers "actualy Hindu"?
Actualy, engraves on this blade are in arabic, devangari numbers looks a litle bit different.
You probabely mean 0-9 sistem?

Sa'ar Nudel · Posted: Sat 19 Apr, 2008 8:00 am Post subject:

Kerim Mamedov · Posted: Sat 19 Apr, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject:

Thats right, if you'll take a closer look on arab ones, you can rekognise simbols that we use today, and arab simbols look only litlebit different than devangari, but still you can distinguish them, that can help in such identification like this one Wink

Terry Crain · Posted: Sun 20 Apr, 2008 2:08 am Post subject:

Here is a link to one of the Russian swords this is based upon for Iranian military. Not sure if the info is 110% correct on the website, but that is the Russian original this sword was based upon.

Here: http://www.russianwarrior.com/STMMain.htm?190....htm&1