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Karl Knisley
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 Posted: Fri 22 Feb, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: House of Palaches |
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Hello
I thought I`d share a pic, of my favored type, of sword.The cavalry Palache.It seems I have a few 
The top one is an LJ/ATrim,Continental backsword.The middle two are ArmArt hilts fitted with an ATrim blade,and a Darkwood Armory,saber, blade.
And the bottom one is a ,Darlwood Armory, hilt, and an Atrim, saber blade.
Thanks for looking
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David Sutton
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This may sound like a bit of a dumb question........but what exactly is a 'Cavalry Palache'?
Form its appearance it looks like an evolution from the mortuary hilted types of the 17th Century towards the cavalry sabres of the latter 18th and 19th Centuries.
I think they are an attractive type and would like to know more about them.
'Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all'
'To teach superstitions as truth is a most terrible thing'
Hypatia of Alexandria, c400AD
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Jared Smith
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Nice collection, and I agree an interesting type of sword! Are those pretty good thrusting points? I wondered about the degree of flexibility, and appearance of being a single edged saber.
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Karl Knisley
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Hello
I`am not sure what makes a palache a palache.I think the common denominater is the thumb ring,and the side hand gaurd.There are pics on this site of palaches with all kinds of blades.Single edge backswords,single edge saber,Heavy double edged,and light double edged.If anybody knows, the history behind the palache,it would be much apprteciated.
Thanks for looking
Last edited by Karl Knisley on Fri 22 Feb, 2008 4:21 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Jonathan Hopkins
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Is it just the angle of the photo, or is the Darkwood's hilt enormous compared to the others? That is a very nice collection! I really like this form of hilt, especially the walloon hilts.
Jonathan
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Karl Knisley
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Hello
It is a bit bigger.But I have big hands so to me thats a plus.The most comfortable in the hand is the ArmArt hilts.
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Jonathan Hopkins
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| Karl Knisley wrote: | Hello
It is a bit bigger.But I have big hands so to me thats a plus.The most comfortable in the hand is the ArmArt hilts.
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I think Darkwood make their hilts a bit large. My Darkwood basket hilt is much bigger than my antique basket hilt, which fits the hand snugly, but not uncomfortably. Thanks again for sharing your collection.
Jonathan
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Jared Smith
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| Karl Knisley wrote: | Hello
I`am not sure what makes a palache a palache. |
The cavalryman was supposed to cling to the horse's neck and "spear" an opponent with the palache. It has been characterized as rather flexible, but still very good for thrusting. The primary merit of a replica in functional terms (to my way of thinking) is it's ability to penetrate in thrust. Cutting ability would be secondary.
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Karl Knisley
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Hello
I think mine, all ,have good thrusting capabilities.
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Thom R.
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H. Withers has an antique saber with that style of hilt from early 1600s for sale right now which looks a lot like the hilt El Jay did except that it has a second small plate (missing unfortunately on the piece for sale) below the thumb ring. Thats cool you bought the LJ/Atrim. Nice swords! Thats a very common style of hilt for the 30 years war based on the research that I have done. tr
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Peter G.
Location: Bad Kreuznach/Germany Joined: 16 Nov 2007
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Pallasch comes from the hungarian pallos, a saber with an allmost straight blade and a heavy hilt worn by the heavy hungarian noble cavalry.
The pallasch has a fullered blade sharpenend on one side only-apart from the first westeuropeans-nonfullered blades sharpenend on both sides.
In short a pallasch is long saber with a straight or only very lightly bend blade.
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Anders Backlund
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I'm a bit cloven to these swords, actually. On one hand, I do like the over all look of palaches. On the other hand, I find it hard to appriciate swords with thumb rings.
(When playing around with swords and sword mock ups, I have this tendency to switch hands a lot, or even use my left without thinking. I don't think I could do that with a knucklebowed thumb-ring sword.)
The sword is an ode to the strife of mankind.
"This doesn't look easy... but I bet it is!"
-Homer Simpson.
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Morgan Butler
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I agree,
I'm left handed and unfortunately have no use for righthanded thumb rings. I've even come across some beautiful period german horseswords and drat, they all had thumb rings. I just couldnt imagine cutting off the rings off 300 year old swords. Those pics are beautiful!
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Roger Hooper
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I particularly like the Eljay Walloon hilt.
I wonder where the term "Walloon" came from. They originated in the Netherlands, right?
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