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Tomas Z.
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 Posted: Mon 04 Jun, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: Moc's Durrer |
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OK, I've decided to buy my new sword from Pavel Moc. I kinda like the Durrer design but I wanted to check if you know more about it. Is it 15th century? How common were these designs? Or perhaps, do you have any experiences with this sword?
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Joe Fults
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To me it looks 15th century enough, but my eye is not that practiced so it will be interesting to see what other people say. A quick run through the books I have on hand did not give me any examples in form or spirit that I can cite as an anchor point in time. Given that Durer lived from 1471 to 1528, and that this sword is named after him, its inspiration would seem to come from the time in question. Not sure that any of that helps at all though.
By way of curiosity, what kind of wait are you being quoted?
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W. R. Reynolds
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If I am not mistaken, I belive that the inspiration for this sword comes from Albrecht Durer's etching of "The Knight, Death and the Devil". I have seen two time frames in reference as to when the etching was done, 1513 and 1516. Hope this helps.
Bill
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Risto Rautiainen
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Yep, it's from that painting by Durer. If you do a search on this site your bound to find a pic of that painting. Several people of our group owns a Durer by Moc and most are very pleased with it. Though there is some variations what the finished product is like, even if it's basically the same model.
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Tomas Z.
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Cool, thanks!
So am I safe to use it for the period between 1450 - 1475?
~ T
PS: He said that he should be able to finish it before the end of August.
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Joe Fults
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| W. R. Reynolds wrote: | | If I am not mistaken, I belive that the inspiration for this sword comes from Albrecht Durer's etching of "The Knight, Death and the Devil". I have seen two time frames in reference as to when the etching was done, 1513 and 1516. Hope this helps. |
I took a look at the engraving for reference, and I'm not sure. The sword in the images that I found online has a round pommel and may or may not have a similar guard. On image linked for ease of reference:
http://www.metmuseum.org/TOAH/hd/durr/hob_43.106.2.htm
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Joe Fults
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| Tomas Z. wrote: | | PS: He said that he should be able to finish it before the end of August. |
Tomas,
Thank you and good to know.
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Jean Henri Chandler
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Wow thanks for posting that link, what an awesome painting. I have had the right-hand panel for a long time and long admired it, I bought three or four books of Durers art but could never find that painting, it's really nice to see the original.
Be very interested to see some stats on that sword by the way, weight, balance point that sort of thing. Also how much does it cost and is there a waiting list?
J
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Risto Rautiainen
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Be very interested to see some stats on that sword by the way, weight, balance point that sort of thing. Also how much does it cost and is there a waiting list?
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As I said the stats vary from piece to piece, but the average would be 1,6kg and 5-12cm from the crossguard. Anyhow all of the Durers I've handled feel good in the hand others better others a little worse. There should be a .XLS file on the home page of Moc's site. Waiting list varies a lot too. Sometimes you can get his swords in 1,5months, sometimes it takes full 7months.
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Joe Fults
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| Jean Henri Chandler wrote: | Also how much does it cost and is there a waiting list?
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http://www.swords.cz/enindex.html
English version of his site.
Seems to indicate that there is some delay, at least right now. As others have already noted in this thread the prices are in an Excel spreadsheet on the website.
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Tomas Z.
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Thank you!
So does anyone know whether this would fit mid-15th century? 
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Chad Arnow
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| Tomas Z. wrote: | Thank you!
So does anyone know whether this would fit mid-15th century? |
I think it would be a little more at home later in the 15th century and into the 16th. Durer lived 1471-1528. Like many medieval and Renaissance painters, he usually painted historical figures dressed and armed as the people he saw around him regardless of the time period being portrayed in the image.
ChadA
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Stephane Rabier
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Gary A. Chelette
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I did a little enhancement on the jpg. It may help.
http://sara.tss.uh.edu/3paumg3enhanced.jpg
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