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Howard Waddell
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 Posted: Thu 03 May, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: Next Generation Swords Update |
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In response to requests, we will now be offering several of our existing and planned models with the option of a waisted grip and half-wire wrap:
Leather Wrapped Waisted Grip (no extra charge):
Mercenary
Constable
Talhoffer
(The tapered grips will still be available.)
Waisted Grip with Half-wire Wrap ($200 charge):
Mercenary
Castellan
Constable
Talhoffer
Ringeck
Fiore
Munich
Regent
Earl
Hauptman
Markgraf
Viceroy
It will take me a while to update the individual sword pages, but these options are available in the meantime.
Best,
Howy
Albion Swords Ltd
http://albion-swords.com
http://filmswords.com
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Craig Peters
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| Posted: Thu 03 May, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Howie,
I must state that I'm really happy to see that Albion is giving their customers a few more options in customizing their swords.
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Posted: Fri 04 May, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Bueno excellente!
Albion continues to be one of my main motivations to find better-paying work... :D
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Jonathan Blair
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| Posted: Fri 04 May, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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This is great, Howy. Glad to see this option available. Once again Albion delivers.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." - The Lord Jesus Christ, from The Gospel According to Saint Matthew, chapter x, verse 34, Authorized Version of 1611
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Hugo Voisine
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| Posted: Fri 04 May, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Great !
Next step would be some blade-etching options I guess.... ;)
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M. Eversberg II
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Blade etching would be great! I was wondering if you all did it -- was kicking around some wedding gift ideas for a friend, in case she decides to marry her guy.
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Craig Peters
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| Posted: Sat 05 May, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Hugo Voisine wrote: | Great !
Next step would be some blade-etching options I guess.... ;) |
That, or allowing for pommel/guard swapping on swords... ;)
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John Facundus
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| Posted: Sat 05 May, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: |
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I would give a big thumbs up to the blade etching option! I would like to have a sword inscribed with the family name for my Dad. :D
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Chad Arnow
myArmoury Team
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| Posted: Sat 05 May, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Albion has done blade-etching in the past. They etched a piece for me and also etched the blade of one of their first-gen riding swords with the myArmoury logo as a contest prize.
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I believe their maker's mark is etched in some way and it's light-years better than the older examples I've seen.
Engraving would be a better and more historical option than modern electro or acid etching, though it would probably be more expensive.
As for swapping pommels and guards, good luck. :) This can often affect balance and isn't something makers who know a thing or two about balance generally like to do.
I wouldn't assume that a few new grip options would suddenly turn Albion into a fully custom shop, though. :)
:)
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Roger Hooper
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| Posted: Sat 05 May, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Craig Peters wrote: |
That, or allowing for pommel/guard swapping on swords... ;) |
Guard swapping - perhaps
Pommel swapping - probably not, as that might well throw the sword's balance out of whack.
The Albion XVA's are already a group of swoppets, with 2 blades, 5 pommels, and 4 guards (or more if you want to count subleties)
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Craig Peters
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| Posted: Sat 05 May, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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I could be misquoting him, but I believe that Peter Johnsson said that a good sword is already well balanced before the pommel is added to it. This would seem to imply that while a different pommel will affect the balance, it should not throw the entire sword "out of whack" so to speak. Feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood Peter.
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Nathan Robinson
myArmoury Admin
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| Posted: Sat 05 May, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Craig Peters wrote: | | I could be misquoting him, but I believe that Peter Johnsson said that a good sword is already well balanced before the pommel is added to it. This would seem to imply that while a different pommel will affect the balance, it should not throw the entire sword "out of whack" so to speak. Feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood Peter. |
I believe this is a misquote.
I think it is more correct to say that the pommel is not a primary balancing element of a sword's dynamics, but rather only one part of the complex equation that defines a sword. Many simple designs and, I guess it's fair to say, lower-end designs, use the pommel as a primary means to achieve a balance point. These designs disregard the dynamics of the sword as a whole and only focus on the single element of balance point. On a good sword design, a change of pommel will affect a sword's dynamic properties. The real question is: To what degree?
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Jonathan Blair
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| Posted: Sun 06 May, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: |
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On another note, that Next Generation "Soldat" grossemesser in their single edge section looks wicked. I'm surprised to see this as I don't remember it being there before.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." - The Lord Jesus Christ, from The Gospel According to Saint Matthew, chapter x, verse 34, Authorized Version of 1611
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Jason Elrod
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| Posted: Sun 06 May, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Jonathan Blair wrote: | | On another note, that Next Generation "Soldat" grossemesser in their single edge section looks wicked. I'm surprised to see this as I don't remember it being there before. |
COOL! That looks like the prototype Meister that they had for sale many months ago. I guess they decided to make the simplified prototype a standard.
Nice to see a messer in production.
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Craig Peters
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| Posted: Sun 06 May, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Nathan Robinson wrote: | | Craig Peters wrote: | | I could be misquoting him, but I believe that Peter Johnsson said that a good sword is already well balanced before the pommel is added to it. This would seem to imply that while a different pommel will affect the balance, it should not throw the entire sword "out of whack" so to speak. Feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood Peter. |
I believe this is a misquote.
I think it is more correct to say that the pommel is not a primary balancing element of a sword's dynamics, but rather only one part of the complex equation that defines a sword. Many simple designs and, I guess it's fair to say, lower-end designs, use the pommel as a primary means to achieve a balance point. These designs disregard the dynamics of the sword as a whole and only focus on the single element of balance point. On a good sword design, a change of pommel will affect a sword's dynamic properties. The real question is: To what degree? |
It could be that I did indeed misquote Peter, but you and I seem to be saying pretty much the same thing only in different words, no?
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Craig Peters
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| Jason Elrod wrote: | | Jonathan Blair wrote: | | On another note, that Next Generation "Soldat" grossemesser in their single edge section looks wicked. I'm surprised to see this as I don't remember it being there before. |
COOL! That looks like the prototype Meister that they had for sale many months ago. I guess they decided to make the simplified prototype a standard.
Nice to see a messer in production. |
The Soldat certainly wasn't there the last time I checked the single-edged sword section. Messers are not particularly my area of interest, but the Soldat intrigues me nonetheless.
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David Stokes
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| Posted: Sun 06 May, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Howard,
Will the "gothic" grip option also be avalible on other swords besides the Munich?
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Robert B. Allison
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I had a question for Howard or Peter, and am not sure whether this is the best place to ask it, but the thread is about NextGen swords and recent developments so decided to give it a shot. I noticed when I went on Albion's website that they show a new sword called the Soldat, a messer. It appears to be the same as the Meister prototype that was featured a while back, but without the fullered grip. Meanwhile, I've had a Knecht on order for nearly 2 years now and a recent inquiry to Albion generated the reply that they are struggling with the fullered pommel, grip-panels, and guard. Can anyone comment on or describe what is causing the difficulty and when it might be resolved?
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Jeremiah Swanger
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| Posted: Mon 07 May, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Craig Peters wrote: | | It could be that I did indeed misquote Peter, but you and I seem to be saying pretty much the same thing only in different words, no? |
Sword makers have emphasized the importance of a pommel's mass to the harmonics of the blade. There's definitely more to the picture than static and dynamic "feel"...
"Rhaegar fought nobly.
Rhaegar fought valiantly.
Rhaegar fought honorably.
And Rhaegar died."
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Jeremiah Swanger
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| Posted: Mon 07 May, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| Craig Peters wrote: |
The Soldat certainly wasn't there the last time I checked the single-edged sword section. Messers are not particularly my area of interest, but the Soldat intrigues me nonetheless. |
I like Falchions and Messer, quite a bit! Apparently, the hilt fittings for the Meister and Knecht seem to be causing some manufacturing headaches (at least, that's the way I understand it). It was a very good idea for Albion to "throw us a bone" and allow us to sate our Messer hunger with a lower-cost version. I had been saving up for a Talhoffer, but now the Vassal and Soldat are each warranting a serious revision of my future purchasing plans...
"Rhaegar fought nobly.
Rhaegar fought valiantly.
Rhaegar fought honorably.
And Rhaegar died."
- G.R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire
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