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Rodolfo Martínez · Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: Accuracy of armours.

Hello guys.

Take a look to the Maximilian armour, What is it wearing?
And what about the drawing of Janos Hunyadi? Is his armour accurate? I know that it is only a drawing, but is a fine armour. This guy lived around 1450, , He is wearing something like bases skirts under those weird tassets with those weird pauldrons, i´m not sure if it is a gothic armour.

Thanks.

Chad Arnow · myArmoury Team

Rodolfo,
I've moved your post to the Historical Arms Talk forum, the appropriate location. As this isn't the first thread of yours we've had to move, please take a moment to review the descriptions of each of our forums. Thank you.

Regarding the cloaked Maximilian harness: according to the book your picture is from (Arms and Armor in the Age of Chivalry by Aldo Cimarelli), that's a parade cloak that is contemporary with the armour.

William Knight · Posted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 7:24 am Post subject:

That's definately not like any contemporary depiction of Hunyadi that I've ever seen--here's a bit from the Johannes de Thurocz chronicle. Of course, from the notes I've seen this is a german edition, so the armour might be 'teutonicized.'

And from a woodcut version of the same chronicle, the Augsburg edition of 1488 according to the page on Wikimedia Commons:

And of course both portrayals are a time after his death--which notably came before the era of gothic armour in southern germany.
-Wilhelm

Daniel Staberg · Posted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject:

The Hunyadi image is obviously a rather poor 19th Century reconstruction, the helmet is clearly based on the Zischägge style aka the "Hungarian pot" i.e a 17th century helmet and the breatplate seems to have the pointed shape found on German armours of the 1560's and 1570's. The 'skirt' looks like poorly rendered mail.

Rodolfo Martínez · Posted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject:

Thanks Chad for the reference and info of the armour.
It´s still a nice armour for any fantastic representation, but all i can guess is that you are right guys in the fact of Hunyadi wearing a Gothic armour But weren´t goyhic armours aviable sunce 1440?. Thanks! What I didn´t expected was the shield, Did he used shields too?

William Knight · Posted: Wed 18 Apr, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject:

Edge and Paddock date 'gothic' harness 'by 1460' so I'm not sure Hunyadi would have used it. Also again I don't know if the gothic armour is just a late 15th century german illuminator taking some artistic license.
As to the shield, I'm not sure as to its use (ie, when and how it would be used by the owner), but you do see a large numbe of hand-held pavise-like shields being carried by hungarians--check out the featured topic on 15th century pavises for details, including one owned by Hunyadi's son, Matthias Corvinus.
-Wilhelm

Lafayette C Curtis · Posted: Thu 19 Apr, 2007 4:27 am Post subject:

The shields don't seem to have been used by the mounted men-at-arms, though--they were instead found in the hands of the clipeati who formed some sort of an infantry fortress as a replacement or an adjunct to the wagon tabor.

Rodolfo Martínez · Posted: Sun 29 Apr, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject:

What do you think about this armour, What style is it?

Lafayette C Curtis · Posted: Sun 29 Apr, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject:

16th-century. Definitely. Just look at the armet/close-helmet. And clearly not something Hunyadi would have worn.

Rodolfo Martínez · Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject:

Do you think its from the first, or second half of that century?Is it a Greenwich style armor?

Hisham Gaballa · Posted: Tue 01 May, 2007 12:47 am Post subject:

Rodolfo Martínez · Posted: Tue 01 May, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject:

Interesting articles Mr. Gaballa.
Do you think if such armour have something to do with French armours?